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Mobile Helicopter Killers Found and Destroyed in Iraq
Strategy Page ^ | 3-19-07

Posted on 03/22/2007 3:35:39 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne

Mobile Helicopter Killers Found and Destroyed in Iraq March 19, 2007:

American troops in Iraq figured out how Iraqi terrorists had managed to ambush American helicopters with heavy machine-guns and get away with it. The Iraqis had used trucks with the machine-gun mounted in the back, and a tarp over metal supports (a common feature of military trucks) to conceal the weapon.

The tarp was rigged so it could be quickly pulled aside, as well as the metal supports for the tarp. This enabled the heavy machine-gun to immediately open fire. There were four of these trucks, and they roamed around areas that American helicopters were operating above. One of these trucks was spotted, with its machine-gun revealed, by a UAV, after informants indicated that this was probably the weapon responsible.

U.S. intelligence then analyzed video and other data they had, and put more UAVs over areas believed frequented by the trucks. On the ground, intelligence operatives began beating the bushes for information on these mobile flak traps. Soon the four trucks were identified and, one by one, destroyed with smart bombs. Vehicles like this are particularly popular in Africa, where they are called "technicals" (and the heavy machine-guns are used mainly against ground targets.)

The Iraqi innovation was the hide the machine-gun, until it had to be used against a passing helicopter. The Iraqis came up with this concept because, in the past, when heavy machine-guns were used against aircraft, U.S. aircraft and ground troops were usually all over the area before the 14.5mm heavy machine-gun could be moved or hidden. These machine-guns weigh several hundred pounds, and even when disassembled, the lightest component weighs 176 pounds. It took four years for an Iraqi to realize that heavy machine-gun would only work against the American helicopters if the weapons were mobile, and not easily identified.

But that will be difficult now, as the Americans know what to look for, and the word is out in Sunni Arab areas (where the Iraqi "technicals" operated, so reduce the chances of an informer turning them in), that there is a reward for anyone providing information on additional systems like this.

Eight helicopters have crashed in Iraq since January, most from heavy (14.5mm) machine-gun fire. In some of those cases, the hostile fire appeared to be carefully planned. That is, multiple machine-guns, including at least one heavy machine-gun were placed along a route used by helicopters, and fired in a coordinated matter. This tactic is called "flak trap," and dates back to World War II (or earlier). This tactic works if you can use surprise, and the concealed, truck mounted, heavy machine-guns did that.

The enemy has also been using portable surface-to-air missiles since 2003, including more modern models, like the SA-16 (which is similar to the American Stinger.) American helicopters are equipped with missile detection and defense (flare dispensers) equipment. Thus the most dangerous anti-aircraft weapon is the machine-gun. However, despite the recent losses, aircraft losses to ground fire have been declining every year, since 2003, mainly because of good defensive tactics. Moreover, the most vulnerable aircraft, helicopters, have been spending more time in the air. In 2005, U.S. Army aircraft (mainly helicopters) flew 240,000 hours over Iraq. That increased to 334,000 hours last year, and is expected to go to 400,000 hours in 2007. The more time helicopters are in the air, the more opportunities someone has to shoot at them.

Since 2003, the United States has lost 60 helicopters in Iraq. Most of them belonged to the U.S. Army, the rest were marine or civilian (mainly security contractors.) In the last year, helicopters were fired on about a hundred times a month, and about 17 percent of the time, the helicopters were hit. In Vietnam (1966-71), 2,076 helicopters were lost to enemy fire (and 2,566 to non-combat losses). In Vietnam, helicopters flew 36 million sorties (over 20 million flight hours). In Vietnam, helicopters were about twice as likely to get brought down by enemy fire. As in Iraq, the main weapons doing this were machine-guns. Today's helicopters are more robust, partly because of Vietnam experience, and are more likely to stay in the air when hit, and land, rather than crash.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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1 posted on 03/22/2007 3:35:40 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Marine_Uncle; Dog; Coop; Just A Nobody

More good news....


2 posted on 03/22/2007 3:39:58 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix

Good. I'll bet there are more than just four, and I hope they get them all.


3 posted on 03/22/2007 3:42:01 PM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: DevSix

I believe one of the earlier threads on this subject had some combat video of these incidents.


4 posted on 03/22/2007 3:45:01 PM PDT by blam
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To: DevSix
>>> In 2005, U.S. Army aircraft (mainly helicopters) flew 240,000 hours over Iraq. That increased to 334,000 hours last year, and is expected to go to 400,000 hours in 2007. The more time helicopters are in the air, the more opportunities someone has to shoot at them.<<<

Duncan Hunter has been on a crusade to get some more budget for replacement hardware given the huge workload they are experiencing in Iraq. These numbers prove he's right.

Unfortunately, the Demo controlled Congress can probably hold off Republican efforts to get military hardware into the budget.

5 posted on 03/22/2007 3:48:44 PM PDT by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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To: DevSix

There was a great video a fews days ago of them actually taking out one of them at night with an A10.

It is on a thread here somewhere.


6 posted on 03/22/2007 3:58:24 PM PDT by stockpirate (Rudy Giuliani, John McCain and Mitt Romney, are liberals masquerading as conservatives.)
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To: HardStarboard

Can you imagine Hunter vs. Hillary or Obama on this issue? Whap!


7 posted on 03/22/2007 4:02:40 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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To: stockpirate; DevSix
MNF-I Video
8 posted on 03/22/2007 4:06:30 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Islam is the non-dissolving flavah bomb in the melting pot of civilization.)
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To: DevSix
Yeah, but, terrorist, Liberals, anti-war wackos, Democrats are sadden.
9 posted on 03/22/2007 4:08:46 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: TADSLOS

Love calling in the fast movers on SOBs like these...


10 posted on 03/22/2007 4:12:43 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: TADSLOS

thx


11 posted on 03/22/2007 4:54:42 PM PDT by stockpirate (Rudy Giuliani, John McCain and Mitt Romney, are liberals masquerading as conservatives.)
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To: TADSLOS; DevSix; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; blam; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; Allegra; ...

What a nice Video!


12 posted on 03/22/2007 5:14:16 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; leadpenny
FYI
13 posted on 03/22/2007 5:41:57 PM PDT by Chgogal (Vote Al Qaeda. Vote Democrat.)
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To: TADSLOS

sweet video...


14 posted on 03/22/2007 6:08:54 PM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Political Correctness: The forced tolerance of all sin")
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To: DevSix

There's a recent video on YouTube of one of these "technicals" being taken out with a JDAM and the meteor worshipping crew being intruduced to a cluster bomb.


15 posted on 03/22/2007 6:14:06 PM PDT by fso301
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To: DevSix

Ooooh shite Acmed, I see something coming at us fast, spin the wheels Acmed...............booooooom!


16 posted on 03/22/2007 6:14:30 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yes the video was quite impressive. More goons gone down to the gates of Hell awaiting their 72 shrivaled up white raisens.


17 posted on 03/22/2007 6:36:27 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: TADSLOS

Great comments on that vid.


18 posted on 03/22/2007 8:01:33 PM PDT by SquirrelKing ("When a coin in the carbon pot rings, out of global warming hell a soul does spring." - Timothy Ball)
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To: TADSLOS

Love it...


19 posted on 03/22/2007 8:09:34 PM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) "These lefties are terminally inebriated on dishonesty." The Nuge)
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To: DevSix

War against cockroaches who use women and children as shields has to be comprehensive. When you locate these cockroaches you have to be ruthless, even as liberals are wringing their hands and leading the cheers for them.


20 posted on 03/22/2007 8:18:49 PM PDT by OriginalIntent (Undo the ACLU revision of the Constitution. If you agree with the ACLU revisions, you are a liberal)
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