[neocon1984]

I guess you missed your 8th grade civics class. Complete freedom has another name: Anarchy. Even a formerly maggot-infested, dope smoking, Hippie, pinko like me (35 years ago)can understand that freedom is not absolute.

That said, I believe in American Exceptionalism in the most important sense that our Judeo-Christian Constitutional framers clearly believed that God was the source of our natural liberties, not government. Flashbunny, have you ever heard of the Ten Commandments?

[flashbunny]

I have, but that has nothing to do with rudy's views on individual freedom. Here is the most important part besides his 1984ish statement:

"cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do".

It's that "great deal of authority" part that is the real problem. It runs contrary to the principles on which this country was founded.