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To: takenoprisoner
"To take away the right of a law abiding citizen to self defend is an abuse of authority."

It seems that you agreed to take someone's ability to self defend based on your own willingness to exercise authority over others.

You have no problem with setting up laws under which all must live (whether they all like it or not), then you also have no problem with taking away the rights of self defense of those who don't live under the laws you've enacted, against their will.

"Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do."

The statement I quoted from you is in complete agreement with what Rudy said.

260 posted on 03/22/2007 9:09:54 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

"It seems that you agreed to take someone's ability to self defend based on your own willingness to exercise authority over others."

Not at all. I ceded there must be a lawful authority. The Constitution of the United States is the supreme authority from which all subsequent laws find their authority. If the supreme authority (the US Constitution) is abused, then this is the point my "willingness" ends.

"You have no problem with setting up laws under which all must live (whether they all like it or not), then you also have no problem with taking away the rights of self defense of those who don't live under the laws you've enacted, against their will."

refer to the US Constitution.


"Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do."

That's what Julie says. But the US Constitution says there are limitations on the lawful authority.


279 posted on 03/22/2007 9:25:56 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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