[DBrow]

"They would be worthless for outdoor use in the northern states."

Funny you should mention that. There is a group, International Dark Skies Organization, that tries to ban outdoor lights so that we can all recover the glory of the stars in a dark sky.

They do some good things like get the governments to buy more efficient outdoor lighting (that also produces less "light pollution") but if things worked out so that you could not run any light outside, they'd dance for joy.

They do most of their work in the background- it would not surprise me if they were helping with lightbulb legislation.

[Beagle8U]

By outdoor lighting I also mean in unheated garages, workshops, and barns. It is also nice to turn on a porch light sometimes in winter.

I don't need Calif. liberals with no understanding of the real world setting standards for me.