To: Pox
As much as you want to get all ideological, this race is no longer about liberal versus conservative. We can worry about liberal versus conservative once we get our majority and the presidency back. Right now it is about winning, period. Giuliani will be the candidate until or unless you can produce a conservative candidate who can demonstrably win in November (and by "demonstrably" I mean someone that Quinnipiac or Gallup or Rasmussen or anyone else credible says can win, not just your opinion of what will happen when voters discover this or that). Your candidate will need $50 million or so to get his message out. That money must be raised RIGHT NOW, not 10 months from now. No one is going to get it, and so the nominee will be Giuliani. I am telling you now so you will have time to prepare yourselves, for what I am saying is as certain as the sun coming up tomorrow.
It's like standing on a battlefield before a battle and seeing what will happen. You look at this particular battlefield and you see there really won't be much of a battle, except here at Free Republic.
OTOH, the Dimwits are beside themselves at the prospect of a Giuliani candidacy, because they understand what it means, even if some of you hard-headed social conservative types do not. Which is why they are starting to drop Hillary like a greased cucumber. Trouble is, their money is faced with the same dilemma conervatives face: no viable alternative. Except there is one: Gore. And he is waiting in the wings.
On the Republican side, Gingrich is pulling the same strategy as Gore because it is his only shot. But the polls show little real disaffection with Rudy among the financial supporters, so Newt will stay on the sidelines.
The most likely November matchup at this point is Giuliani versus Hillary, but Giuliani versus Gore is also somewhat likely, and Giuliani versus Obama less so.
To: massadvj
Please, it is NOT all about winning, as having RINO Rudy elected is not a win at all, for either Republicans, conservatives or the country as a whole. Considering that the next POTUS may likely make a couple of appointments to the SCOTUS, I believe that in this election a conservative winner is an absolute must. Considering RINO Rudy's track record and admitted admiration of Clintoon and his policies, RINO Rudy is a disaster of multiple dimensions in the making.
If Mr. Thompson declares he is running, within a month or two you will most likely see polls that reflect him as the front runner for POTUS, IMO. Although those polls will also be relatively pointless as well considering the real campaigning will not begin until spring of 08 and the opposing candidates really start flinging mud at each other, the financial support will start flowing towards Mr. Thompson.
RINO Rudy will not withstand the Clintoon onslaught, and the primary reason for that will be conservative apathy. You can bank on that. The battle is far from being focused only upon this forum, but throughout the entire Republican party and conservatives in this country. Multiple articles indicating just that have been posted over the last few weeks here.
November 08 is a LONG way off, and RINO Rudy is not the answer for Republicans or America. What part of that truism do you not understand? Giuliani is the absolute worst possible candidate for Republicans for multiple reasons I have already spelled out.
First out the gate to declare (or one of the first) does not anoint him the chosen one. As for cash, Romney already understands he needs $500 million to have a shot at a win, and I suppose that Mr. Thompson will not have nearly as difficult a time raising whatever cash is necessary, almost 2 years before the actual election, regardless of your absolutist declarations.
Stop drinking the liberal MSM koolaid and help get a conservative candidate leading the ticket. You know who I refer to, and you cannot deny he demonstrably CAN win in 08. He is far and away a much better candidate than Giuliani ever will be, and I cannot understand why those such as yourself continue to pooh pooh his chances 22 months prior to the actual election. Most of the big money donors have not even begun to decide who they will support, and I suspect most of them will be waiting anxiously for an announcement from Mr. Thompson in the next couple of months before they make up their minds.
What are you afraid of, a real conservative winning?
335 posted on
03/20/2007 4:27:35 PM PDT by
Pox
(Just say NO to RINO Rudy!)
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