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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The original intent for having women in military service, was to "Free a man to fight". However, since the 80's, social engineers in the government have increasingly put women in "The trenches", "REPLACING a man in the fight". I've known some outstanding women marines during my active duty days, but I didn't want them charging a hill next to me, or relying on one to bayonet an enemy behind me. Even in our technologically advanced military of today, personal physical strength is still the weapon of opportunity in a hand to hand situation, and sometimes the only difference between victory and death. I prefer my petite sister keep me supplied and supported, and let my hulking brother keep the enemy from my back. I'm sure you feminist out there are gonna breath fire over these statements, but I prefer victory and life, over your self-esteem. Women in combat, NO THANKS! Let 'em serve in the rear with the gear, but keep 'em off the line, away from the cold steel and bleeding knuckles.

"Semper Fi"
18 posted on 03/20/2007 7:31:50 AM PDT by Msgt USMC (Lead, follow, or get the heck outta the way!)
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To: Msgt USMC
I am not a "feminist" but I am a military veteran.
My mother also wore combat boots during the Korean war, as a radio operator.

I happen to agree with you that the number of women physically qualified to serve on ground combat missions is so small as to be statistically equivalent to zero.

It is possible for moth males and females to have an assigned duty in or near a war zone, and not be expected to particularly proficient in the actual combat skills required for "in the trenches" operations.

This female deserter, and all deserters, need to be prosecuted IAW the UCMJ.
There are clear provisions in the UCMJ for those who either through cowardice or sincerely held beliefs, balk at fulfilling their oathes of service.
The consequences of refusing a lawfull duty order are also clearly defined.

Unlike the professionally ignorant civilians at the NYTs, or anywhere else for that matter,I will always refuse to excuse any major, and very few minor, derelictions of military duty.
28 posted on 03/20/2007 5:08:32 PM PDT by sarasmom (Thank you to all who joined the Gathering of Eagles !)
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To: Msgt USMC

Those of us who have seen the grim horror at the sharp end of infantry combat (as I did in a Mech Infantry outfit in Vietnam) are concerned at the rhetoric of many of those pushing the women in combat agenda. Daily we are regaled by the sight of 110 lb. women routinely beating the stuffing out of 250 lb male behemoths in choreographed entertainment fantasies like Buffy the vampire Slayer, Dark Angel, Tomb Raider, Sin City and the Matrix Reloaded. We all listened breathlessly to the initial (later revealed as inaccurate) reports of brave little Jessica Lynch mowing down hordes of Iraqis.

It is only natural that with this continual barrage of opinion shaping that an attitude will begin to form that women are just as generally capable of participating in infantry combat as men are, with a comensurate erosion of the rationale for excluding them in the first place.

This is not to say that women can not serve in positions that enhance military capability, they are already serving in them, and serving well and honorably. It was Nazi Armament Minister Albert Speer who cited the German failure to mobilize their women in the manner that the Allies did in WWII as a significant factor in the Nazi defeat. In situations involving large scale mobilization, they are essential. (Don't forget that the Soviets only did it because of the hugely staggering quantity of casualties that they suffered, on a scale that we can scarcely concieve of) That is not the case now as most personnel requirements could be met with the available pool of qualified males. Today, the issue is clouded by feminists and their societal influence ranging from lefist cum Marxist to liberal gender equity advocates. All too often combat readinesss, morale and unit cohesion is secondary to remaking the military institution into one which advances a radical social agenda. The decision to incorporate such large numbers of women into today's military is a political decision, not one of military necessity has was the case with the Soviets during World War II.

One of the problems in assesing the impact of this issue vis-a-vis the Iraq war is the fact that we handily defeated them with the forces that were already in place in the invasion phase. Due to a combination of the skill of our superbly trained, equipped, motivated soldiers; and the ineptitude of our enemy (but they are getting better) our casualty rate has been thankfully far lower than we should have been reasonably able to expect given historical precedents. Notwithstanding this the question must be asked as to what would happen should we face an enemy that could inflict the sort of casualties on us has was the case during the fighting in northwest Europe in WWII? The United States Army was forced to comb out military personnel who had been assigned to the Army Specialized Training program as technical personnel (aircrew, radar operators, etc) and convert them to infantry to replace the staggering losses. Since 14% of the Army is not deployable to such duty (women) this does not bode well for such an eventuality. While we can continue to pray that we will never again face an enemy that will be able to attrite us as the German and Japanese Armies did, we MUST not plan as though it will never again happen. The Iraq war as it is presently playing out IS NO TEST OF THIS PROPOSITION. That test will be realized in a dynamic and fluid environment, against an enemy that is capable of inflicting battlefield defeat upon us.

Many commentators are relentless in their determination to ignore the considerable body of factual evidence indicating that the present policy of sexual intergration is inconsistent with certain vital forms of combat readiness. Study after study (reinforced by my 20 yrs of anecdotal observation in the active duty military and NG) highlight the physical unsuitability of most women for the tasks of the combat soldier, and often even the support soldier. My personal observations include the inability to change the tires on military vehicles, clear routine stoppages on M60 medium MG's and .50 cal HMG's, carry heavy loads any appreciable distances at necessary speeds, lift and evacuate casualties, and an inordinate disposition to injury. The reason that the military adopted "dual physical training standards" was to ensure politically acceptable numbers of women, since 40-60% of them would be washed out if they were required to meet male physical training requirements. My son, a reservist in a NG chopper unit, is contemptuous of what he describes as continual coddling of female soldiers. He is planning to transfer to an infantry unit.

In situations of full mobilization, women are essential. I believe that women are a militarily valuable asset, provided that asset is used in a manner that makes the military ready to fight, and subordinates feminist social engineering to that end.

Hundreds of thousands of women have served and are serving their country honorably and well. I honor them for their service and accept them as comrades and fellow veterans. We can only hope that their service will be continued in such a manner as to enhance the ability of the military to fight. The potential consequences for the individual soldier and the military's mission are too serious to subordinate to social engineering.


29 posted on 03/20/2007 5:50:51 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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