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Real hunters and shooters need to stand up to the NRA
Seattle Times ^ | March 20, 2007 | Ray Schoenke

Posted on 03/20/2007 6:19:04 AM PDT by holymoly

BEFORE today's presidential candidates go courting the National Rifle Association for support (witness Mitt Romney's sudden enrollment), they should be aware of the case of Jim Zumbo. One of nation's most famous and respected hunting and outdoors journalists, Zumbo was professionally assassinated by NRA hysteria for simply uttering a single and — many hunters would say — reasonable point of view.

Returning from a weekend hunting trip in which he witnessed people using semiautomatic, military-style weapons to hunt varmints, Zumbo dashed off a column for his blog on Outdoor Life in which he played devil's advocate, suggesting these weapons are not appropriate for hunting.

The reaction was swift — and brutal. The NRA whipped up a frenzy on the blogosphere, where a rabid fringe element of the hunting community denounced Zumbo in the harshest terms, even attacking his patriotism. Bowing to the intense pressure, Outdoor Life magazine fired Zumbo from his writing job, where he had won a huge following. The gun-company sponsors of Zumbo's highly rated weekly television show promptly pulled their support, thus killing the program. The NRA very publicly suspended all ties with Zumbo and cited the incident as a warning to anyone — "even fellow gun owners" — who might cross its powerful lobby.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: banglist; propaganda; rkba; zumbo
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Seattle Times must be excerpted. You'll definitely want to read the full article.

FYI Ray Schoenke is the president of the "American Hunters and Shooters Association", which appears to be a gun-control organization. E.G. The AHSA supports bans on semi-automatic "assault weapons", so-called "cop killer bullets", etc.

In short, he's Sarah Brady, masquerading as a "hunter", "sportsman", "gun owner", etc.

Ray Schoenke is also a liar.

Those familiar with the Zumbo debacle know that the response to Zumbos' reprehensible comments was entirely grassroots. The word was spread by individuals, posting to gun forums such as AR15.com and Surplusrifle.com, as well as here at Free Republic.

IIRC The NRA was among the last to sever its' ties with Zumbo, days after others had already done so (Remington Arms, Mossy Oak, etc.).

1 posted on 03/20/2007 6:19:10 AM PDT by holymoly
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To: holymoly

The Second Amendment is not about hunting, much as the Left would like to convince us otherwise.


2 posted on 03/20/2007 6:21:25 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: holymoly

The American Hunters and Shooters Association is a sheep in wolf's clothing.


3 posted on 03/20/2007 6:22:07 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: holymoly

Real hunters and shooters take great care not to pay any attention to the opinions of "journalists" from Seattle...


4 posted on 03/20/2007 6:24:48 AM PDT by Kenton (All vices in moderation. I don't want to overdo any but I don't want to skip any either.)
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To: holymoly
"According to a 2003 Field & Stream National Hunting Survey, sportsmen overwhelmingly support reasonable gun safety proposals. Moreover, an overwhelming majority of hunters support proposals like background checks to purchase guns, keeping military style assault weapons off our streets and the elimination of cop killer bullets."

Who We Are

Like I said, a sheep in wolf's clothing.

5 posted on 03/20/2007 6:27:56 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: holymoly

Anybody who wants a good semi automatic rifle for hunting would make a good choice with a so-called "assault rifle'

The size of the clip and the number of rounds is limited by law for any long gun used in hunting including the so-called "assault rifles".

And these rifles are light and easy to carry and are excellent for hunting.

If this hunting expert couldnt see the obvious and bought the propaganda of the assault media, then he deserved to get canned.


6 posted on 03/20/2007 6:32:10 AM PDT by Wacahootie
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To: holymoly

Well, then, the local sport shooters' association needs to call the paper on this right away and demand an opportunity to respond.


7 posted on 03/20/2007 6:32:36 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: facedown
"...sportsmen overwhelmingly support...the elimination of cop killer bullets." Yes, a .308 couldn't be a "cop-killer".
8 posted on 03/20/2007 6:34:39 AM PDT by n230099 ("If the creator had a purpose in equipping us with a neck, he surely meant us to stick it out.")
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To: holymoly
I like swift, brutal reactions to idiotic statements by "respected" authorities that compromise gun ownership and support unConstitutional laws.
Unfortunately, that is not how the NRA works. Hell, they almost agree with him.
9 posted on 03/20/2007 6:36:59 AM PDT by Little Ray (Proud to be one of "...the most paranoid, xenophobic and reactionary characters...")
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To: holymoly
The NRA has its flaws, but you cannot argue with the successful right-to-carry campaign over the past 20 years
(which I assume the NRA was largely responsible for implementing... please correct me if I'm wrong!)


10 posted on 03/20/2007 6:41:11 AM PDT by Teacher317 (Are you familiar with the writings of Shan Yu?)
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To: holymoly
Returning from a weekend hunting trip in which he witnessed people using semiautomatic, military-style weapons to hunt varmints, Zumbo dashed off a column for his blog on Outdoor Life in which he played devil's advocate, suggesting these weapons are not appropriate for hunting.

An AK47-style rifle is not appropriate if you're trying to pick off a prairie dog at 1000 yards.

It's entirely appropriate, however, for the type of hunting the Second Amendment is intended to protect.

11 posted on 03/20/2007 6:43:51 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: n230099

As a member of the NRA, any one of my guns could be a "cop killer" but I'd first have to aim and fire them at a cop. The guns, on their own, can't kill anyone or any thing.


12 posted on 03/20/2007 6:45:17 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
Seattle Times propagandist Ray Schoenke can take this wholly-manufactured agitprop and shove it up his arse. The NRA had absolutely nothing to do with Jim Zumbo getting flamed wholesale by the gun-rights community, and he knows it.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

13 posted on 03/20/2007 6:45:53 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have two speeds: "graze" and "stampede".)
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To: facedown
"According to a 2003 Field & Stream National Hunting Survey, sportsmen overwhelmingly support reasonable gun safety proposals

There are several questions I would like to ask Mr. Schoenke. E.G.:

There are an estimated 80 million gun-owners in the United States.

Of these 80 million, exactly how many did Field & Stream "poll"?

Was the Field & Stream "poll" limited to readers/subscribers?

Is the average subscriber to Field & Stream jealous of their Second Amendment rights?

Or are they they type who thinks the Second Amendment exists to protect the non-existent "right to hunt"?

14 posted on 03/20/2007 6:49:03 AM PDT by holymoly ("A lot" is TWO words.)
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To: Wacahootie
The size of the clip magazine
15 posted on 03/20/2007 6:52:11 AM PDT by ASA Vet (http://www.rinorepublic.com)
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To: holymoly

My letter to the editor...

Sirs,

A cardinal rule of any firearms related activity is that alcohol and guns don't mix.

Ray Schoenke must have been drunk when he wrote his article blasting the NRA over the Zumbo affair.

I would recommend that anyone interested in what happened over Zumbo to do a Google search and read Zumbo's article for themselves. He did not write as a 'Devil's Advocate', his own apologies make it clear that he wrote what he did out of ignorance and arrogance. He repeatedly referred to the popular civilian AR-15 style rifles as terrorist’s weapons.

The NRA was still rubbing the sleep from their eyes as Zumbo was brought down by the web denizens of AR15.com, glocktalk.com, freerepublic.com and others. The NRA was so far behind the curve on Zumbo, all they could do was pile on days later.

Our fathers and grandfathers preferred the WWII arms and ammunitions when they came home from Europe and the South Pacific, today's hunters and sport shooters are drawn to the rifle and ammo they used in Vietnam and the Middle East.

Why doesn't Schoenke drop the lies and distortions and tell us what his real agenda is?

TC Rider


16 posted on 03/20/2007 6:53:43 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: facedown
keeping military style assault weapons off our streets and the elimination of cop killer bullets."

Whenever we see the newspeak phrases, "military style assault weapons", "cop killer bullets", "Saturday night Special", we know the the gun-banning, nanny-state Orwellians are upon us.

17 posted on 03/20/2007 6:55:46 AM PDT by l8pilot
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To: Joe Brower
Seattle Times propagandist Ray Schoenke can take this wholly-manufactured agitprop and shove it up his arse. The NRA had absolutely nothing to do with Jim Zumbo getting flamed wholesale by the gun-rights community, and he knows it.

He knows it. However, many people reading his article may not.

Which is why we need to dissect his article, and tear him a new one. ;o)

18 posted on 03/20/2007 6:55:47 AM PDT by holymoly ("A lot" is TWO words.)
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To: DuncanWaring

A custom built AR 15 in .223 is VERY appropriate for prairie dogs, and, at least in New York, is considered an assault rifle.


19 posted on 03/20/2007 6:55:54 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: TC Rider
The NRA was still rubbing the sleep from their eyes as Zumbo was brought down by the web denizens of AR15.com, glocktalk.com, freerepublic.com and others.

Bullseye!

20 posted on 03/20/2007 6:57:22 AM PDT by holymoly ("A lot" is TWO words.)
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