Posted on 03/19/2007 9:37:58 AM PDT by neverdem
Why any descendent of slaves in this country would vote Democrat is jaw-dropping.
Actually, I think the Actor with the most venom currently is George Clooney.
I don't believe some of these replies. Those against this review show their ignorance of American history. Copperheads were northern democrats and others who were against the war and sympathized with the south. The analogy is the sympathy with the enemy. The term really identifies many in the anti war, anti military movement captured and used by the democrats who would sell out our troops and leave them hanging just to gain power. I would encourage the term Copperhead be used in any reference to a politician selling out our troops and I for one have through my website http://www.theusmat.com/ and where it applies used this attribution. "Copperhead"
"Actually, I think the Actor with the most venom currently is George Clooney."
That's a tough call. Tim Robbins is definitely a contender. I've actually always thought Martin Sheen was just too dumb to be taken seriously (should never have been allowed to breed), as is Alec Baldwin.
Well, look at his whelps....
I don't think it is quite true to say that all Confederates were Democrats. In 1860 the remnants of the Southern Whigs supported the Constitutional Union Party. After their own state seceded, many Southerners who had opposed secession still felt it was their duty to support their own state in the conflict. I imagine there must have been some Whigs among them.
The GOP position leaves little room for constructionists who believe in sovereign rule and decentralization.
Also when you bring up Democrats who sold out for gain, don't forget the carpetbaggers, robber barons who gladly took advantage of the South. US Grant's numerous scandals and reconstruction policies were not exactly high points either.
Good point, but the Whig Party was dead years before the Civil War. The Constitutional Union Party was not a party at all, just a presidential ticket for John Bell.
If they were against centralized government/finances, higher taxes, and conscription to fight other states then why would they have ever support the confederacy?
Good point, SB, but the rebels started conscription a year before the U.S. government did. What's more, all rebel troops were required to remain in the Confederate army for the duration of the war, no matter what their original terms of service had been, but U.S. troops were free to go home when their terms of service ended.
And, don't forget that over a quarter of southern soldiers fought against the Confederacy. Cheers,
Lincoln had a Constitutional justification to suspend habeas corpus - the Southern insurrection. Bush doesn't.
Then Jefferson Davis was a fool.
And never forget it was an activist actor who killed Lincoln...imagine Martin Sheen or Alec Baldwin with guts.
John Wilkes Booth avoided service in the war, hardly the sign of an activist. And whatever courage he had came from the bottom of a brandy bottle. A true Southron patriot. </sarcasm>
I understand your opinion, and until 9/11 I would have agreed with you 100%. But we are living in an age where a handful of evil foreigners exploited the freedoms we take for granted to commit a horrific, murderous act of war against us in the name of their hateful "religion". And there are Americans who hate their country and their elected leaders so much that they give aid and comfort to these terrible enemies. We see them enable the Islamonazis every time they burn an American flag, equate the duly elected president with Adolf Hitler, and wave pictures of Communist mass murderers in their ridiculous marches. If America was not facing an existential threat from the outside, I would simply laugh and roll my eyes at these idiots. But in today's world of instant worldwide communications and the 24-hour news cycle, our enemies see our "protestors" working tirelessly to help their cause. That, in a word, is treason when American troops are giving the fullest measure of devotion to their country on the battlefields in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere.
The fact is that liberty means idiots have the right to say outrageous things, wrong things, hateful things, and not have to worry about suffering political reprisal for it. It is, in fact, that freedom that allows you to (among other things) post one of the most blatant stupidities I have seen in a while in this forum and not have the Stasi come knocking at your door.
Look, I don't come to this opinion lightly. I am a libertarian in almost every way -- I want government out of my life, and I want to make my own decisions without some anonymous bureaucrat in Washington, Harrisburg, or elsewhere telling me what or what not to do. But I recognize that the governments 'prime directive' if you will is to provide for the common defense against all enemies - both foreign and domestic. I despise the fact that government takes my money through taxes and 'redistributes' it to moochers and looters who are parasites on society. I resent government telling me where and what I can smoke, ordering me to wear a seatbelt when I drive, 'regulating' how many gallons my toilet can flush, etc. But I want government to do what the Founding Fathers of this nation intended it to do: provide me and my fellow citizens with a nation not under danger of annihilation from evil enemies who despise freedom.
Our fathers knew that the greatest danger was NOT the Jacobean anarchists (the eighteenth century version of communists and leftists), but government itself.
And thankfully, the communists and leftists never gained they power they needed to destroy the system the fathers devised. But they have (perhaps unwittingly, perhaps not) allied themselves with the Islamonazi killers. They have become the "useful idiots" that would be the first to lose their heads if the Islamonazis ever emerge victorious.
I despair of the "conservatives" on FR who are nothing but fascists who think they can avoid being spotted as such simply by wrapping themselves in a flag.
I resent the term "fascist" in this context. In every major conflict we ever were involved with (prior to Vietnam), the government had restricted war resisters to some degree. Although some on the paleocon fringe may consider Lincoln to be a fascist, he did what was necessary to preserve the union and the freedoms we take for granted. Seditionists were arrested and imprisoned during WW1. Japanese nationals were interned during WW2. Strict censorship of wartime reporting by the media was imposed. And through it all, we came through unscathed -- freedoms intact. Notably, it's been the "liberals", "progressives", etc. or whatever the latest incarnation that the socialists give themselves that have done the most to deprive us of liberty, and yet, they're the ones today screaming the loudest to surrender the battle to the enemy. They have, IMHO, crossed the line from "free speech" to treason. They need to be stopped, before they successfully enable the enemy to commit an atrocity that will dwarf 9/11.
Fighting the enemy with all available tools is not fascism. Wanting to stop fifth columnists from giving aid and comfort to the enemy is not 'wrapping oneself in the flag'. It's common sense. It's wanting to LIVE AS A FREE AMERICAN.
They were called "Unionists" and they were not necessarily old Whigs -- many were Democrats and I'd guess only a very few were "closet" Republicans (i.e. anti-slavery in any degree). The position of the Loyalists was that unilateral secession was not constitutional and that the Federal government had taken no action against the Southern states that justified revolution.
If you think the Northern Copperheads were somehow treated unfairly, you should read up on what the Confederates did to Loyal Union men who even so much as spoke out. It will disabuse you of the notion that the Confederacy was some bastion of constitutional liberty and tolerance. It was anything but.
The North was infinitely more tolerant of public anti-war sentiment than the Confederacy was.
Once again you demonstrate your collosal ignorance. At least your moniker is apt.
If you don't think that all of those apply to the Jefferson Davis government then it is you displaying a colossal level of ignorance and not I.
don't you get tired of being thought a DUMB-bunny???
free dixie,sw
the 21st century "peaceniks" are WRONG & are on the side of OPPRESSION.
that's a HUGE difference.
free dixie,sw
I grew up and lived in La Crosse, Wisconsin for most of my life. I was never taught about Marcus "Brick" Pomeroy at school. I was informed about him by my older brother when I was in my twenties. I gather the city elites were too ashamed of Pomeroy and wanted to forget him.
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