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You can discount every source cited. That's quite a talent. You might have missed the government report which was cited earlier in this exchange. Feel free to discount it.

Did Mr. Weaver do some stupid things? Absolutely. Does the government bear a large share of the blame for the deaths of all those involved? Abso-freakin-lutely.

Do Randy Weaver's actions justify the actions of the government? Let's say he didn't pay his taxes? How much did he owe? Seriously. Let's say he did saw off that shotgun (at the government agent's request)? What's the penalty for that? What should have been a commensurate reponse? Obviously shooting his kid and his wife is the correct answer.

For some reason, you have an inability to assign any blame to a government who deserves plenty in this situation.

For some reason, you have an inability to assign any blame to a government who deserves plenty in this situation.

Citizens who refuse to hold the government in check deserve the government they get. Unfortunately the rest of us get the same one.

My origial premise was Weaver is responsible for the needless deaths of his children and it was jmo. If he wanted to fight to the death okay, but he didnt have any right to subject youngsters to that decison. They are too young to vote, too young to drink, too young to marry, too young to fight in the military, too young to see R rated movies and too young to decide for themselves. Weaver admited he was wrong and you should too.

Ive already had my life threatened in private email on this thread. Most of you are the nutbars people wonder about.