The Secret Rulers of the World: The Legend of Ruby Ridge

BBC Channel 4 Video Documentary ^ | ? | Jon Ronson

[amchugh]

This is one part of a five part series done for BBC Channel 4. It focusses on Ruby Ridge and the Weaver family, with some digression into seperatists, conspiracy theorists, etc...

[Issaquahking]

One must stand up to tyranny! That is one of the beautiful things about FR! When called upon, and you can make it, FR Unites! Look here! This is FR and GOE standing tall and beautiful!


We don't go looking for trouble, but we shall take on tyranny and terrorism from jihadists, or our own government. I've stood with some of these freepers posting here, and I can guarantee that they are some of the finest people here in the country!

Why do you so adamantly buy into the BS that the government tried to dish out about Randy Weaver?



Sam Adams best summed it up when he said," If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands that which feed you. May your chain be set lightly upon you and posterity forget ye were our countrymen."

[bkepley]

Why do you so adamantly buy into the BS that the government tried to dish out about Randy Weaver?

I met a "Christian Identity" guy. He was a total crackpot. Probably a child molester on the side.

[brazzaville]

Good afternoon.
"He took aim at her with the intent to kill her."

He was hoping for a twofer, holding his fire until Kevin Harris was there hoping to get them both.

Vicki was partially visible, unmoving, through the curtain on the door and Horiuchi held on her, firing when Harris was got there.

He probably didn't see the baby, but who knows.

Michael Frazier

[streetpreacher]

Ruby Ridge happened on Bush 41's watch.

[Issaquahking]

You live in a bubble?Who do you think comes up with all the envirowhacko BS 98% of the time? Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with their latest weapon?

Before you get left in the dust, click here!

[brazzaville]

Good afternoon.
"He wasn't convicted and the government paid millions to his children for murdering their mother."

Actually, it cost a huge amount of money just to get to the siege itself.

The Feds paid salaries and blood money to set Weaver up and the Marshals spent months pulling surveillance on the Weavers and their property before the first shots were fired.

Four people dead and millions spent, all because they wanted a snitch and he wouldn't play.

Michael Frazier

[takenoprisoner]

"The paranoids have weapons because the Feds are murdering American families."

No, your so called "paranoids" have weapons for the same reasons most gun owners have weapons. To hunt, and to defend ourselves and our families if need be.


I assume you don't have any weapons yourself since you are so dead set against them. We already know you will surrender yourself and your family at the drop of a hat. You have stated so here today yourself.

Americans have a Constitutional right to own weapons for self defense. The citizen himself is his own front line of defense. Not the BATF, the FBI or the local beat cop. They won't be there when you are under siege by some thug/s.
Course we here already know that you will surrender to thug/s your life, your wife, and your children. Especially if he is wearing full dress camos and has a gun.

Not all of us are as timid and weak as you. We tend to protect our families from thugs, and yes even govt thugs if need be.

You can call that lunacy all you want. But no matter how many times you repeat it, that does not make it so.

Sure, it's not looney to surrender at the drop of a hat as you would. But it is chicken****.

Any man that is not willing to defend his family as well as his G-d given rights has no standing with me.

In the tone of cousin Vinny, "I'm done with this guy."

[PhilipFreneau]

The right has some responsibility for what happened at Ruby Ridge...<<<

The Right is responsible for an out-of-control federal government? You are out of your frickin' mind.

>>>It's ten years after and I don't see any UN takeover.<<<

Thanks to a Republican-controlled congress, which we don't have anymore.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

RE: "And just how exactly do you know that sequence of events is phony?"

Here's a version from both the federal courts and the Senate.

http://64.233.167.104/unclesam?q=cache:tw2WfUNijXEJ:www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ coa/newopinions.nsf/0768117AF3AA6FDE88256E5A00707B75/%24file/9830149.pdf %3Fopenelement+harris+weaver+dog&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

I wrapped the URL into three parts

I used the U.S. government google search and searched for

harris weaver dog

and selected

[PDF] Volume 1 of 2 FOR PUBLICATION UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR ...

Here are excerpts from the document:

UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT STATE OF IDAHO, No. 98-30149

"In the early morning hours of August 21, 1992, six Deputy United States Marshals, using night vision equipment and dressed in camouflage gear, conducted a reconnaissance mission on the Weaver property in preparation for serving an arrest warrant at a later date. The officers were armed but wore no visible law enforcement identification. They were still on the property at about 10:20 a.m., when they were detected by a party consisting of Kevin Harris, Randy Weaver, his son Samuel and their dog Striker. Accounts of what followed differ, but we know that a firefight erupted during the course of which the marshals killed Striker and Samuel Weaver. Samuel was shot twice, once in the arm and once, fatally, in the back. One of the Weaver party, probably Kevin Harris, shot and killed Deputy Marshal William Degan. . . "

"The Senate subcommittee which investigated the matter concluded as follows:

"The Subcommittee concludes that Harris shot Deputy Marshal Degan. Although we cannot conclude with certainty that [Deputy Marshal] Roderick shot the dog first, the scenario testified to by Harris does seem more plausible than the testimony of the Marshals. If the very first shot that was fired was Harris' mortal wound to Deputy Marshal Degan, Deputy Marshal Degan would have had to have fired all of his seven shots after he was mortally wounded. Although there was expert testimony at the trial that this was possible, it seems unlikely. In addition, if Deputy Marshal Degan was shot first, it is hard to understand why neither [Deputy Marshal] Cooper nor Roderick immediately shot Harris, who was standing in the Y--clearly visible--and had just shot a Deputy U.S. Marshal. Finally, once the shooting started, it seems less likely that Roderick would have wasted a shot on the dog whose back was to him as the dog was walking up the hill. It seems plausible that a 14-year old boy, on seeing his dog shot, would have opened fire at the person who shot his dog. At that point, it was likely that the Marshals would shoot back at the two people who were firing on them. In the course of the gunfire, Marshal Degan was shot by Harris and Sammy Weaver was shot in the arm and in the back."

[End excerpt. My emphasis]

[WilliamofCarmichael]

RE: #249

The long url should have been three parts, sorry for the mistake.

[Plains Drifter]

Well said.

[albee]

"Ruby Ridge happened on Bush 41's watch."

You are right! I stand corrected.

Bill (Rambo) Clinton was responsible for the Waco disaster.

[Oztrich Boy]

The dog caught up with Deputy Marshal Cooper. He held the dog at bay with his firearm, but did not shoot for fear of provoking the Weavers

I'm gonna call BS on this one.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

RE: I'm gonna call BS on this one.

You've got the support of the federal courts and the U.S. Senate.

[LiberalBassTurds]

Are you being paid to be a government apologist?

Rats, you caught me. Do you think they will still pay me?

LBT
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[LiberalBassTurds]

Thanks for the data. I'll read through it WilliamofCarmichael.

LBT
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[ozzymandus]

Your screen name fits. Ever heard of Lon Horiuchi?

[LiberalBassTurds]

Try to find time to examine PajamaTruthMafia's link from Weaver's lawyer.

Will do.

A boy gets it from an MP5 in the back. His mother gets a .308 between the eyes. Emotions ARE going to be elevated in these discussions.

Agreed and understood.

LBT
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[LiberalBassTurds]

On August 21,1992, 14 year old Sammy Weaver and his friend Kevin Harris were hunting. Sammy's dog Striker caught scent of the men hiding in thee woods. the dog barked and ran ahead. Sammy and Kevin thought he'd picked up the trail of a deer. They hurried to follow. An unexpected burst of gunfire from a hidden sniper stopped Striker in his tracks.

Deer hunting in Idaho in August?

LBT
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[ActionNewsBill]

I met a "Christian Identity" guy. He was a total crackpot. Probably a child molester on the side.

I met a Software/Hardware Engineer guy. He was a total crackpot. Probably a child molester on the side.