The Secret Rulers of the World: The Legend of Ruby Ridge

BBC Channel 4 Video Documentary ^ | ? | Jon Ronson

[amchugh]

This is one part of a five part series done for BBC Channel 4. It focusses on Ruby Ridge and the Weaver family, with some digression into seperatists, conspiracy theorists, etc...

[bkepley]

"Simple, send them down the mountain." At what point in the story?

After the first and before there were any more deaths if he was truly clueless that they were going to come up the mountain.

[brazzaville]

Good morning.

It would probably benefit you to read "Every Knee Shall Bow".

It was written by a reporter from Spokane, I believe, who was not a Weaver supporter.

Michael Frazier

[bkepley]

If you would do that to your family, then I pity your family. Hopefully you are a loner with no friends nor family. One thing for sure, when the going gets tough, (providing you have family) they can count on you to surrender them to the murderers.

My family is fine because I don't get involved with lunatics who end up in shootouts with the Feds.

[brazzaville]

Good morning.
"After the first and before there were any more deaths"

You mean after unidentified men in camouflage had killed his son and the boy's dog? Weaver's people didn't know that Marshal Degan had been killed, only that they were now cleaning the boys body and that it looked like the worst of their fears were coming true.

You keep pushing the line that he should have given up, yet everything he saw reinforced his belief that government wasn't going to let him. Before there was time to think past the grief and shock of Sam's death, Viki was dead and Weaver and Harris were wounded. Would you just up and surrender?.

Michael Frazier

[labette]

Sure, we might speculate that Vicki's letter is what may have pushed some wanna-be-tyrant{s} over the edge. Why not check out PajamaTruthMafia's link in post #164, Especially,this page.

http://www.ruby-ridge.com/gspence3.htm

[beltfed308]

Thanks for the supplied links. Revisiting the Weaver story is making me angry again. A good type of angry if you know what I mean.

[LiberalBassTurds]

I'd rather trust the words of the victims, my own common sense, and accounts from my family members.

{Before I give a damn about what the fox has to say about events in the chicken house}

But you're completely willing to only hear the "chicken's" side of the story huh? Well no sense debating with someone who makes decisions after reviewing half the data.

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[LiberalBassTurds]

I was referring to the part about the phony sequence of events that led up to the boy getting shot in the back, and Kevin Harris shooting the Marshall.

And just how exactly do you know that sequence of events is phony?

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[the808bass]

The marshals retreated. As they approached an intersection of trails known as the "Y," they saw Randy Weaver coming down the trail. They identified themselves and told him to halt, but he turned and ran back up the trail. The dog caught up with Deputy Marshal Cooper. He held the dog at bay with his firearm, but did not shoot for fear of provoking the Weavers. An exchange of gunfire occurred moments later, resulting in the death of Deputy Marshal William Degan, Sammy Weaver, and the dog.

The subsequent government investigation did not corroborate this somewhat parsed version. Allowing the LEOs to hole up together in a condo to get their stories in line does not help their credibility.

[bkepley]

You keep pushing the line that he should have given up, yet everything he saw reinforced his belief that government wasn't going to let him. Before there was time to think past the grief and shock of Sam's death, Viki was dead and Weaver and Harris were wounded. Would you just up and surrender?.

Once I knew it was law enforcement I would have surrendered and that was before his wife was killed.

[PajamaTruthMafia]

Same here. I often wonder why we never hear from the Left about Ruby Ridge or Waco while they are screaming about "civil liberties." Of coarse, the answer is obvious, as described in Gerry's letter to his friend - these are the enemies of the liberal herd and they are glad the wolf killed them...

[LiberalBassTurds]

Seems that the FBI personnel should have served 18 months and at least a $10,000 fine. Not the other way around.

I'm not saying what the Feds did was error-free.

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[labette]

In post 164, YOUR fox admitted to faking evidence.

Please continue to amuse us with your boot licking appeasement.

[LiberalBassTurds]

Well you did some nice work there. It lives on. :-)

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[takenoprisoner]

My family is fine because I don't get involved with lunatics who end up in shootouts with the Feds.

That's right, and you have nothing to fear so long as the feds remain busy murdering other American families and not yours. UNBELIEVEABLE!

Beltfed in his post at # 147 made a fine attempt to enlighten folks like yourself here defending murder by federal agents. Did you bother to read it? If not, click on the link provided and try again.

[LiberalBassTurds]

In post 164, YOUR fox admitted to faking evidence.

Then copy what you are referring to and post it here. Show me specifically where someone admitted to lying about the events I highlighted as the sequence that initiated the deaths.

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[Palladin]

"So the guy who pulled the trigger and killed his wife and kid has what?"

The guy, Lon Horiuchi, got away with coldblooded murder.

In 1992, while working at sniper position Sierra 4 for the FBI Hostage Rescue Team at Ruby Ridge, Horiuchi killed Vicki Weaver, and wounded her husband Randy Weaver and Kevin Harris. Vicki Weaver was behind a door – unarmed and clutching her infant daughter – when a bullet fired by Horiuchi at Kevin Harris accidentally struck her in the face.[3]

In September 1995, Horiuchi testified before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee's hearing on the Ruby Ridge shootings; however, following advice of counsel, he invoked his Fifth Amendment rights, which limited the ability of Idaho's prosecutorial team of Denise Woodbury and Stephen Yagman to build a criminal case against him.

In 1997, Horiuchi was charged in Boundary County, Idaho state court with involuntary manslaughter. Horiuchi removed the case to federal court,[citation needed] where the case was dismissed by U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge on May 14, 1998, who cited the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution which grants immunity to Federal officers acting in the scope of their employment. This decision was reversed by an en banc panel of the Ninth Circuit, which held that Horiuchi should stand trial.[4] However, shortly after the Circuit court rendered its decision, the prosecutor moved to drop the case, and the District court granted the motion on June 26, 2001.

[bkepley]

That's right, and you have nothing to fear so long as the feds remain busy murdering other American families and not yours. UNBELIEVEABLE!

The lunacy lives on. I remember all the talk about black helicopters and UN takeovers back then. What ever happened to all that? It seems to me like a vicious cycle. The paranoids have weapons because the Feds are murdering American families. The Feds are trigger-happy because the paranoids are armed to the gills. Someone is going to get hurt.

[brazzaville]

Good afternoon.
"...I would have surrendered"

No doubt.

Michael Frazier

[LiberalBassTurds]

Please continue to amuse us with your boot licking appeasement.

I will say I'd much rather live next to any one of the federal agents that conducted the raid than the Weavers...or you for that matter. You would call that a boot licker of course...but then again you are an inflammatory moron.

Post your data, or shut up.

LBT
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