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To: A.A. Cunningham

HEre ya go ...


http://www.langley.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123041765

http://www.afa.org/magazine/feb2007/0207raptor.html

http://www.f22-raptor.com/media/documents/aviation_week_010807.pdf




The 'kills' the Opfors got were not F-22s. Ya hafta read down deep, but there are no published kills of an F-22 I have EVER seen/read. Only ambitious hangar flying .. about 'the one I got but they wouldn't score it.' ;-)


50 posted on 03/15/2007 5:33:02 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Blueflag

Claimimg that there are no F-22 kills reminds me of the "F-117 is invisible to RADAR" BS we used to hear back in the 80s. We laughed back then, too.


56 posted on 03/15/2007 5:45:48 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Blueflag

From your link:
http://www.afa.org/magazine/feb2007/0207raptor.html

In Red Flags, Bergeson said, “you have a great day if you lose only 10 percent of your forces.” The massively lopsided victory for the stealthy F-22-led force was unprecedented.

“They [the Red Air adversaries] couldn’t see us,” Tolliver said. This was true even when the opponents were assisted by AWACS. “And that’s what makes the F-22 special,” Tolliver went on. “I’m out there and I have weapons like an F-15C or an F-16, but ... I’m basically invisible to the other guy’s radar.”

The 241-to-two record was amassed over two weeks of air engagements. Tolliver noted that, in such battles, Red Air units were allowed to regenerate and return to the fight, but lost Blue forces could not. Even with such handicaps, in the largest single engagement, F-22-led forces claimed 83 enemies to one loss, after facing down an opposing force that had generated or regenerated 103 adversary fighters.

And what about the two losses?

“If you see numbers where you never have a loss, I don’t think you’re training to your full ability,” Tolliver said. “If you don’t, at some point, have that simulated loss, we’re not going to push ourselves to be as capable as we are.”

Lt. Col. Dirk Smith, commander of the 94th FS, said that these aircraft losses stemmed from the aggressiveness of pilots, which was a good thing.




241 to 2 is a fantastic record, but it was not 241 to 0.


96 posted on 03/15/2007 10:28:23 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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