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To: neverdem

Utter nonsense. Why would the Second Amendment work differently than the First? My right to free speech is seriously curtailed while I'm at work. I could go to the mall and use abusive language or bad-mouth my company's products. Can't do that at work and remain employed. It's that simple.


5 posted on 03/14/2007 12:24:49 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: Dilbert56

I see your point about property rights, but isn't my car MY property? I park in my employer's parking lot at my employer's pleasure, but it's nobody's business what I keep inside MY car for self defense.

I also understand that an employer can fire anyone for any reason (unless the employment contract says otherwise), but any employer who fires someone for having a gun in his car is an idiot.


7 posted on 03/14/2007 12:53:32 AM PDT by Old Dirty Bastiat
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To: Dilbert56

Could you keep a hustler in your car?


10 posted on 03/14/2007 3:24:42 AM PDT by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: Dilbert56

As I'm sure you know, the First Amendment applies to political speech, not smut speech, Larry Flynt to the contrary, so your reply is specious.


14 posted on 03/14/2007 5:05:29 AM PDT by sauropod ("An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools." Ernest Hemingway)
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To: Dilbert56
"Utter nonsense. Why would the Second Amendment work differently than the First? My right to free speech is seriously curtailed while I'm at work. I could go to the mall and use abusive language or bad-mouth my company's products. Can't do that at work and remain employed. It's that simple."

True, but your employer cannot require that your vocal cords be cut. The right to bear arms is restricted, you are not allowed to carry on your person while at work. But simply keeping the personal firearm in your vehicle, in a parking lot that is open to the public, is a restriction on your rights, because it prevents the exercise of those rights before and after work. It is no different than if your employer would choose to say that you could not have a bible stored in your vehicle, and I think the courts would react the same way to that.
25 posted on 03/14/2007 7:14:23 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Dilbert56
"Utter nonsense. Why would the Second Amendment work differently than the First? My right to free speech is seriously curtailed while I'm at work. I could go to the mall and use abusive language or bad-mouth my company's products. Can't do that at work and remain employed. It's that simple."

True, but your employer cannot require that your vocal cords be cut. The right to bear arms is restricted, you are not allowed to carry on your person while at work. But simply keeping the personal firearm in your vehicle, in a parking lot that is open to the public, is a restriction on your rights, because it prevents the exercise of those rights before and after work. It is no different than if your employer would choose to say that you could not have a bible stored in your vehicle, and I think the courts would react the same way to that.
26 posted on 03/14/2007 7:14:30 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Dilbert56
You have no First Amendment rights at work: "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech ...". Your employer does not have to honor your right to speak, especially if it is derogatory to the company you work for.
48 posted on 03/14/2007 9:25:38 AM PDT by Will_Kansas
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To: Dilbert56
Utter nonsense. Why would the Second Amendment work differently than the First? My right to free speech is seriously curtailed while I'm at work. I could go to the mall and use abusive language or bad-mouth my company's products. Can't do that at work and remain employed. It's that simple.

Unless your employer is the government, your argument is absurd. Its not a government curtailing your right to speak out at work, but rather a fellow citizen.

61 posted on 03/14/2007 2:05:33 PM PDT by Abogado (The great majority of mankind are satisfied with appearances, as though they are realities.)
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To: Dilbert56
My right to free speech is seriously curtailed while I'm at work.

But you freedom of speech is generally not restricted when you are in your company's parking lot. Business parking lots are considered part of the public sphere.

62 posted on 03/14/2007 4:09:38 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Dilbert56

"My right to free speech is seriously curtailed while I'm at work."

I don't think your analogy works. Your natural right to speak may be curtailed at work (rightly so if such speech interfers with the work) but it's not eliminated. For instance you still have a right to say "Don't! Stop!" if someone gets sexually frisky. You can even put the first exclamation point beside the second if so inclined. But that "curtailment" ends when you leave work to go home or elsewhere. That "curtailment" does not extend beyond the workplace.


69 posted on 03/14/2007 8:49:17 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle
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To: Dilbert56
My right to free speech is seriously curtailed while I'm at work. I could go to the mall and use abusive language or bad-mouth my company's products. Can't do that at work and remain employed. It's that simple.

And if your employer tells you to kill another employee, do you obey that illegal order and do so?

76 posted on 03/15/2007 6:31:58 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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