[Dominic Harr]

Galileo and Copernicus were hounded for their ideas contrary to the establishment of the day.

By the church, correct?! To support religious doctrine, the church and true believers attacked the scientists talking about observed fact.

Yes, I do see the similarity now!

The ID movement *has* presented their evidence. So far, that evidence not been even remotely persuasive.

[GourmetDan]

Galileo and Copernicus were hounded for their ideas contrary to the establishment of the day.

"By the church, correct?! To support religious doctrine, the church and true believers attacked the scientists talking about observed fact."

What 'observed fact' is that and what is the observation that proves it?