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Autobahn speed limit proposal irks Germany
www.ctv.ca ^ | 03/11/07 | AP

Posted on 03/11/2007 6:10:09 PM PDT by Ellesu

BERLIN -- An EU official called on Germany to give up the famous freedom of its highways and impose speed limits on the autobahn to fight global warming -- a demand that drew angry responses on Sunday in a country that cherishes what it calls "free driving for free citizens."

The call came as the German government makes action against climate change a priority of its current presidencies of the EU and Group of Eight.

Still, the German environment minister showed little enthusiasm for EU Environment Commissioner Stavros Dimas' suggestion and a group representing the country's auto industry said it needed "no coaching on efficient climate protection from Brussels."

Many stretches of German autobahn lack speed limits -- traditionally a cherished freedom in a rule-bound country. However, the growing concern over carbon dioxide emissions is putting that tradition under renewed scrutiny.

"There are so many areas in which we waste energy in a completely senseless way and burden the climate," Dimas told the Bild am Sonntag newspaper.

"A simple measure in Germany could be a general speed limit on highways," he added, according to the newspaper. "Speed limits make a lot of sense for many reasons and are completely normal in most EU states, as in the U.S.A. -- only in Germany, strangely, is it controversial."

The commissioner did not suggest a specific speed limit for Germany but in most European countries the highway speed limit is either 120 kilometres per hour or 130 km/h. Britain, Latvia and Sweden have the strictest speed limit with 110 km/h, according to an official EU Web site.

Dimas' comments drew a slew of largely negative responses Sunday on the daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung's Internet site. One respondent described the debate as a "farce" and questioned the environmental record of Dimas' native Greece.

Another demanded "free driving for free citizens" -- quoting one of Germany's most popular and well-known slogans.

Chancellor Angela Merkel, who has said Europe should take a leading role in combating climate change to set an example to the U.S., China and others, last week steered an EU summit to a bold set of measures to fight global warming.

Among several initiatives, the EU is planning to push for an increased use of energy-saving light bulbs to slash energy consumption and reduce the effects of greenhouse gases.

In Britain, the opposition Conservative Party said Sunday it is considering new taxes on air travel. In the Bild interview, Dimas also said that the EU Commission wants to raise the rates for European and trans-Atlantic flights.

However, Merkel has brushed aside previous suggestions -- most recently last month -- that a general speed limit on the autobahn would help fight climate change.

Environment Minister Sigmar Gabriel said Sunday that he has "nothing against (a limit) for reasons of traffic safety" but argued that the restriction would not encourage manufacturers to produce more environment-friendly engines.

"This is a secondary front and a trivialization of the climate problem," he said at an event in Hamburg.

The German Association of the Automotive Industry, which represents an industry that includes such famous names as Volkswagen, BMW, Porsche and DaimlerChrysler, said Germany needed "no coaching" from Brussels on how to protect the climate -- "above all when the proposals are only symbolic."

"The German auto industry will act on climate change where there is real potential for savings" of vehicle emissions, the group said in a statement.

A spokesman for the Transport Ministry, Dirk Inger, said a study by a federal agency had found that an overall autobahn limit of 100 kilometers per hour -- or 62 mph -- would reduce carbon dioxide emissions by only 0.6 percent.

Each 8 km/h a car drives over 100 km/h reduces fuel economy by 10 percent, according to the U.S. Department of Energy.

Inger also contended that, among European countries, only Germany had succeeded in reducing vehicle emissions.

"Symbolic politics doesn't help us move forward on climate protection," Inger said. "That goes for Mr. Dimas too."

Germans may be becoming receptive to the idea, however. Last month, a survey by the Forsa institute for Stern magazine found that 60 percent would favor autobahn speed limits to cut emissions, while 38 percent would oppose them.

The Feb. 1-2 survey of 1,001 people gave a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

"I like to drive fast on the autobahn -- sometimes I drive up to 200 (125 mph) -- but if it is for the sake of the environment, I don't mind slowing down," said Thorsten Einig, 36, an information technology product manager in Karlsruhe who owns a BMW.

"I think anyone with half a brain understands that we all have to change our habits in order to limit the greenhouse gases."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Germany; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: autobahn; globalwarming
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1 posted on 03/11/2007 6:10:11 PM PDT by Ellesu
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To: Ellesu

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2 posted on 03/11/2007 6:27:45 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Ellesu
germany sucks big time. Let 'em kill each other.
3 posted on 03/11/2007 6:29:44 PM PDT by steveo (Is there anything else I can help you with today?)
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To: Ellesu

this will never happen. the auto industry is essentially to germany, they will not go for this.


4 posted on 03/11/2007 6:29:45 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Ellesu

Western europe has already become paralized by multicultrism and political correctness. I predict global warming hysteria to be added to the list.


5 posted on 03/11/2007 6:31:53 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Ellesu
"I think anyone with half a brain understands that we all have to change our habits in order to limit the greenhouse gases."

... wrong...

There is no need to limit CO2 emissions, which is the point...

The google video of "The Great Global Warming Swindle

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&q=The+Great+Global+Warming+Swindle&hl=en)

6 posted on 03/11/2007 6:33:46 PM PDT by muffaletaman
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To: Ellesu

Once again, the global warming nicely aligns with the overall goals of the anti-humans. Coincidence? I think not.


7 posted on 03/11/2007 6:33:53 PM PDT by Aikonaa
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To: Ellesu
An Autobahn with a speed limit ist nicht ein Autobahn! Himmel!
8 posted on 03/11/2007 6:36:39 PM PDT by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?)
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To: Ellesu

Good europeans would be taking mass transportation any way!


9 posted on 03/11/2007 6:39:18 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Ellesu

The Autobahn already has a speed limit. It's called a "Stau." They are to be found everywhere.


10 posted on 03/11/2007 6:40:37 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: Ellesu
90 klicks...about 55 mph. That should frost them! We lived with it for over 20 years, so should they.
11 posted on 03/11/2007 7:03:24 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (Everyone should have a subject they are ignorant about. I choose professional corporate sports.)
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To: Ellesu
Each 8 km/h a car drives over 100 km/h reduces fuel economy by 10 percent, according to the U.S. Department of Energy.

By this math, a vehicle that achieves 30mpg at 100kmph (62mph) would be 40% less efficient at 132kmph (82mph) achieving 21.5mpg.

At 164kmph (101mph) it would be 80% less efficient, achieving 16.7mpg.

By my math according to every vehicle I've ever owned, they're full of crap with a capital C.

12 posted on 03/11/2007 7:08:12 PM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: steveo

I was stationed in Germany for 8 years. There are few things as mind boggling than driving on the autobahn to Munich, bumper to bumper, no speed limit and I'm doing 80 in the slow lane. Some found it scary, some exciting. My experience was that it was a little of both.


13 posted on 03/11/2007 7:09:40 PM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: Ellesu

Well Germany, you're the one that joined the EU. Better get used to it.


14 posted on 03/11/2007 7:09:41 PM PDT by mtg
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To: Ellesu

The story is sort of a yawner. The Autobahns are badly overcrowded and generally quite slow nowadays in most places, and there are plenty of speed limits as they pass through cities. German traffic can be as bad as the worst American traffic.

All that aside, I hope the speed limit proposal doesn't happen.


15 posted on 03/11/2007 7:12:39 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([Hunter/Rumsfeld 2008!])
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To: Ellesu
No upper speed limit on the autobahn. In America, only Montana has dropped upper speed limits on its roadways.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

16 posted on 03/11/2007 7:16:47 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Ellesu

If I was in German leadership, I would suggest a 500 km/h speed limit enforced with a 1 Euro fine.


17 posted on 03/11/2007 7:19:20 PM PDT by CORedneck
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To: patton

aw man! you're not gonna like this...sigh!


18 posted on 03/11/2007 7:22:35 PM PDT by leda (The quiet girl on the stairs.)
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To: Ellesu

I am baffled at the "sophisticated" Europeans who fall for the whole global warming scam hook, line and sinker. No cynicism whatsoever.


19 posted on 03/11/2007 7:23:23 PM PDT by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: CGTRWK
By my math according to every vehicle I've ever owned, they're full of crap with a capital C.

Thank you. I didn't feel like doing the math, but I concur. My truck gets the best mileage at 70. It goes down at 80, but not by 20%.

20 posted on 03/11/2007 7:28:25 PM PDT by Malsua
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