Atheists, Conservatives, and Christianity

American Thinker ^ | 11 mar 07 | Steven M. Warshawsky

[white trash redneck]

This is a must-read defense of Christian conservatism by a libertarian, Jewish, agnostic.

[Raymann]

Well I am a hardcore atheist and libertarian but somehow I'm still a Republican. The LP is too busy about drugs and running from Iraq so I guess I'm stuck with y'all.

Which is fine, I've only met a few Republicans who are in the "Kill All Atheist" crowd and that's only cause they believe we're all commies. I for one am an Objectivist and I hate commies with a passion so there.

So I can (and have) worked with conservatives for smaller government, lower taxes, even one time to lower spending. I can't do that with Dems so here I am.

[Pietro]

very good

[KyHammer]

A moral society must have religion for its foundation. Otherwise morallity is just what you happen to believe in on any particular day. What I don't understand is the upside an atheist sees in trying to undermine someone else's faith

[Condor 63]

Good read.

[trek]

The article does hit the nail on the head doesn't it, thanks for posting it.

The deeper we sink into chaos the more I am convinced that only another "Great Awakening" can save us. And there is nothing like the kind of in-your-face degeneracy the libs are subjecting America to to produce one.

[white trash redneck]

What I don't understand is the upside an atheist sees in trying to undermine someone else's faith

That's Warshawsky's point.

[ASA Vet]

What I don't understand is the upside an atheist sees in trying to undermine someone else's faith

I think most would gladly ignore supernaturalists if given the choice.

[Lakeshark]

I've met a lot of "Hate the religionist" Republicans on this forum and never met a "Kill the aetheists" type that libs and anti theist conservatives rant about.

Maybe there is one or two, but I think the whole idea of Christians wanting to force their views to be a theistic extension of some church nation is a straw man to be beaten regularly by anti-theists.

[maryz]

By what political, moral, or logical principle should the views of religious minorities and non-believers take precedence over those of the vast majority of Christian Americans?

Good question! :-)

When I was in fifth grade (lo these many years ago), we had a Turkish boy in our class. For the Pledge of Allegiance and morning prayer (yes, public school, but long ago!), he simply stood with his hands by his sides. When another boy asked why the Turkish boy didn't have to put his hand over his heart or pray, the teacher just said he wasn't American or Christian, so that all that was expected of him was to show respect, not to participate. Question never came up again.

[George W. Bush]

Some of the discontent with religious conservatives have to do with dubious controversies like the Schiavo matter. I still believe that it hurt the GOP in '06 elections more than anyone will admit. It was, at best, a dubious case. The GOP and the Right should have waited for a proper test case.

As evidence mounts on issues like viability of preemies as early as 5.5 months of gestation (prior to Roe's deadline for an abortion), the Right can forcefully argue for sanctity of life and a re-examination of the entire issue, something that both religious and non-religious persons have a stake in. And this is exactly the role the Religious Right should play.

This article is quite good in championing America's historic tolerance for religious diversity as a fundamental value, something unique in world history with a huge continent to conquer, a federal system to relegate many of these religious matters to the states. This allowed states to be Protestant as most were. But it also allowed for Baptists and Jews and atheists and homosexuals in Rhode Island (a.k.a. Rogue's Island) during the early era of the Republic. I think it was also important that the federal government was never granted enough power to persecute religious minorities in any state. And our early isolation from any faction receiving huge reinforcements from Europe kept our social course steady.

[sinclair]

"By what political, moral, or logical principle should the views of religious minorities and non-believers take precedence over those of the vast majority of Christian Americans?"

By the law of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. Bow to the power or be branded a heretic to the religion of atheism.

[Zon]

While I hesitate to call myself an atheist, due to the philosophical impossibility of "knowing" that there is no God, I certainly am agnostic.

LOL... due to the philosophical impossibility of "knowing" that there is no God, flying reindeer with Santa Clause in tow, tooth fairy and Easter bunny ..

I believe it has something to do with the law of identity and failed burden of proof that none have been identified and therefore don't exist. Sure, a person can speculate that they exist. For example, the scorgum is a fire-breathing, invisible dragon and is undetectable to any attempts to identify it.

For over a millennium the church was wrong in proclaiming that the Sun revolved around the Earth. Reality (identity) rendered the church's illusion obsolete.

[Raymann]

Well I work in DC, they tend to concentrate :)

[uptoolate]

As a "wacko" Christian Evangelical Conservative I say welcome and thanks for helping out the conservative agenda.

One thing that worries me is that for many of us, the more morality, or 'family values' if I may, is abandoned by the Republican party, the more I see the Constitution Party becoming a viable home to us.

Most will criticize the CP for its stance on the WOT, and agreed, I don't think we can go back to the form of isolationism that the CP has in its platform, too many events from past history have shaped our future, but for the Evangelical that may not be that big of a problem. When a nation repents and turns itself over to God as their Creator and sustainer, National Security then becomes the job of that Creator and sustainer. In the Old Testament, Israel won its battles because God led the army, when God didn't lead, Israel lost.

For the Evangelical, the security and future of America depends directly on its spirituality and relationship with the Creator. Thus that is why many of us are in the fight politically. To help put this nation back on track. To return it to its original form, politically and spiritually.

[Delphinium]

I work with alot of so-called self described athiests, who love my ultra conservative Christian candidates.

Those who are right on Life, are usually right on Liberty, and visa versa.

[nonliberal]

Those who would extract money from my pocket at gunpoint for the greater good of society or as a matter of religious principle or duty are equal threats to freedom.

[Lakeshark]

I hear the anti-theists will be in DC with great force this coming weekend.

Enjoy the Mall until then.........it should be nice this week.

[Raymann]

Are you kidding, I'm going to be there protecting the memorial!

[retMD]

Not to excessively nitpick, but I read this: No nation on earth treats Jews better and thought, "What's Israel? Chopped liver?