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To: Carry_Okie
He is no fascist.

The hell he's not. Virtually all of his policies reflect the kind of state control specifically exerted by Italian fascists in the 1930s, and were sold with similar justification, principally public safety and order.

Ronald Reagan believed in people possessing the ability to defend themselves. Giuliani wants the police to have that exclusive power while disarming the citizenry, nor is he shy about trampling the Constitution to get there. The two are miles apart.

You miss the point. Reagan was seen as a would-be dictator by the Left. His law and order policies were called fascist by the Left. When he became President, I heard Liberals say that he would set up concentration camps for anyone who opposed him. The same kinds of ridiculous and hysterical claims are being made about Giuliani. In the 8 years that he was my Mayor, I never feared that he would violate my rights in the way you seem to say. I don't believe in gun control at all. He's wrong about that issue. But, that doesn't mean he's like Hitler.

99 posted on 03/11/2007 10:50:57 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Truth shall set you free))))
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To: Free ThinkerNY; calcowgirl
You miss the point.

No, I understood it prefectly. It's BS. I don't care what lies the left employs the epithet against anyone to the right of them same doesn't mean that the two targets are the same. Yours is a false analogy.

You don't understand what fascism is or how it is sold. Need I remind you how the European fascists of the 30s came to power by election? They were selling public order and safety. That's Rudy's appeal.

Anyone who robs people of their right of self-defense to be replaced by a system of police chasing down minute violations of laws subject to selective enforcement is a fascist. No matter how effective that system might have been, no matter how much better you think the city has become, that's what it is: fascism.

But, that doesn't mean he's like Hitler.

I didn't say he's like Hitler; I said he's a fascist, just like Arnold. They're two peas in a pod:

“My relationship to power and authority is that I’m all for it,” he once explained. “People need somebody to watch over them.... Ninety-five percent of the people in the world need to be told what to do and how to behave.” Arnold Schwarzenegger, U.S. News & World Report, Nov 26, 1990

Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it. Rudy Giuliani


106 posted on 03/11/2007 11:15:48 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Debtor's fascism for Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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