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Why Rudy Giuliani Really Shouldn’t be President
Special Guests Blog ^ | Marach 8.2007 | Jim Sleeper

Posted on 03/10/2007 9:24:06 PM PST by Angel

The deluge of commentary on Rudolph Giuliani’s presidential prospects has forced me finally to break my long silence about the man. Somebody’s gotta say it: He shouldn’t be president, not because he’s too “liberal” or “conservative,” or because his positions on social issues have been heterodox, or because he seems tone-deaf on race, or because his family life has been messy, or because he’s sometimes been as crass an opportunist as almost every other politician of note. Rudy Giuliani shouldn’t be president for reasons more profoundly troubling. Maybe you had to be with him at the start of his electoral career to see them clearly.

Throughout the fall, 1993 New York mayoral campaigns, I tried harder than any other columnist I know of to convince left-liberal friends and everyone else that Giuliani would win and probably should.

In the Daily News, the New Republic, and on cable and network TV, I insisted it had come to this because racial “Rainbow” and welfare-state politics were imploding nationwide, not just in New York and not only thanks to racists, Ronald Reagan, or robber barons. One didn’t have to share all of Giuliani’s “colorblind,” “law-and-order,” and free-market presumptions to want big shifts in liberal Democratic paradigms and to see that some of those shifts would require a political battering ram, not a scalpel.

I spent a lot of time with Giuliani during the 1993 campaign and his first year in City Hall, and while a dozen of my columns criticized him sharply for presuming far too much, I defended most of his record to the end of his tenure. He forced New York, that great capital of “root cause” explanations for every social problem, to get real about remedies that work, at least for now, in the world as we know it. I saw Al Sharpton blink as I told him in a debate that twice as many New Yorkers had been felled by police bullets during David Dinkins’ four-year mayoralty as during Giuliani’s then-seven years and that the drop in all murders meant that at least two thousand black and Hispanic New Yorkers who’d have been dead were up and walking around.

Giuliani’s successes ranged well beyond crime reduction. As late as July, 2001, when his personal and political blunders had eclipsed those gains and he had only a lame duck’s six months to go, I insisted in a New York Observer column that he’d facilitated housing, entrepreneurial, and employment gains for people whose loudest-mouthed advocates called him a racist reactionary. James Chapin, the late democratic socialist savant, considered Giuliani a “progressive conservative” like Teddy Roosevelt, who was a New York police commissioner before becoming Vice President and President.

Yet Giuliani’s methods and motives suggest he couldn’t carry his skills and experience to the White House without damaging this country. Two problems run deeper than the current likely “horse race” liabilities, such as his social views and family history.

The first serious problem is structural and political: A man who fought the inherent limits of his mayoral office as fanatically as Giuliani would construe presidential prerogatives so broadly he’d make George Bush’s notions of “unitary” executive power seem soft.

Even in the 1980s, as an assistant attorney general in the Reagan Justice Department and U.S. Attorney in New York, Giuliani was imperious and overreaching. He "perp-walked" Wall Streeters right out of their offices in dramatic prosecutions that failed. He made the troubled daughter of a state judge, Hortense Gabel, testify against her mother and former Miss America Bess Meyerson in a failed prosecution charging, among other things, that Meyerson had hired the judge’s daughter to bribe her into helping “expedite” a messy divorce case. The jury was so put off by Giuliani’s tactics that it acquitted all concerned, as the Washington Post recalled ten years later in assessing Special Prosecutor Kenneth Starr’s subpoena of Monica Lewinsky’s mother to testify against her daughter.

At least, as U.S. Attorney, Giuliani served at the pleasure of the President and had to defer to federal judges. Were he the President, U.S. Attorneys would serve at his pleasure -- a dangerous arrangement in the wrong hands, we’ve learned -- and he’d pick the judges to whom prosecutors defer.

As mayor, Giuliani fielded his closest aides like a fast and sometimes brutal hockey team, micro-managing and bludgeoning city agencies and even agencies that weren’t his, like the Metropolitan Transportation Authority and Board of Education. They deserved it richly enough to make his bravado thrilling to many of us, but it wasn’t very productive. And while this Savonarola disdained even would-be allies in other branches of government, he wasn’t above cutting indefensible deals with crony contractors and pandering shamelessly to some Hispanics, orthodox Jews, and other favored constituencies.

Even the credit he claimed for transportation, housing and safety improvements belongs partly and sometimes wholly to predecessors’ decisions and to economic good luck: As he left office the New York Times noted that on his first day as mayor in 1994, the Dow Jones had stood at 3754.09, while on his last day, Dec. 31, 2001, it opened at 10,136.99: “For most of his tenure, the city’s treasury gushed with revenues generated by Wall Street.” Dinkins had had to struggle through the after-effects the huge crash of 1987.

Remarkable though Giuliani’s mayoral record remains, it’s complicated further by more than socio-economic circumstances and structural constraints. Ironically, it was his most heroic moments as mayor that spotlighted his deepest presidential liability. Fred Siegel, author of the Giuliani-touting Prince of the City, posed the problem recently when he wondered why, after Giuliani’s 1997 mayoral reelection, with the city buoyed by its new safety and economic success, he wasn’t “able to turn his Churchillian political personality down a few notches."

I’ll tell you why: Giuliani’s 9/11 performance was sublime for the unnerving reason that he’d been rehearsing for it all his adult life and remained trapped in that stage role. When his oldest friend and deputy mayor Peter Powers told me in 1994 that 16-year-old Rudy had started an opera club at Bishop Loughlin High School in Brooklyn, I didn’t have to connect too many of the dots I’d been seeing to begin noticing that Giuliani at times acted like an opera fanatic who’s living in a libretto as much as in the real world.

In private, Rudy can contemplate the human comedy with a Machiavellian prince’s supple wit. But when he walks on stage, he tenses up so much that even his efforts to lighten up seem labored. What drove him as mayor was a zealot’s graceless division of everyone into friend or foe and his snarling, sometimes histrionic, vilifications of the foes. Those are operatic emotions, beneath the civic dignity of a great city and its chief magistrate.

Of course, I know more than a few New Yorkers who deserve the Rudy treatment, but only on 9/11 did the city really become as operatic as the inside of Rudy’s mind. For once, New York re-arranged itself into a stage fit for, say, Rossini’s “Le Siege de Corinth” or some dark, nationalist epic by Verdi or Puccini that ends with bodies strewn all over and the tragic but noble hero grieving for his devastated people and, perhaps, foretelling a new dawn.

Giuliani called the Metropolitan Opera only a few days after 9/11 and insisted its performances resume. At the first of these, the orchestra, striking up a few well-known chords, brought the entire cast, Met administrative, secretarial, and custodial staff (who'd come up onstage), and the capacity audience to their feet to sing “The Star Spangled Banner” with unprecedented passion. A few days later Giuliani proposed that his term be extended on an “emergency” basis beyond its lawful end on January 1, 2002. (It wasn’t, and the city did as well as it could have, anyway.)

Should this country suffer another devastating attack before the 2008 primaries are over, Giuliani’s presidential prospects may soar beyond recalling. But the very Constitutional notion of recall could soar away with them. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, and Giuliani was right for his time and on a stage with built-in limits. But we shouldn’t have to make him the next President to learn why even a grateful Britain dumped Churchill in its first major election after V-E day.


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elagabalus; electionpresident; elections; giuliani; kingrudy; rino; rudy; rutards
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To: Beckwith

How is winning with someone who embodies all the traits of the enemy a real win?

You abortion supporters on FR make me sick. Go wash you hands of the blood of 50 million babies. Sick, I tell you!


181 posted on 03/12/2007 4:05:06 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
I do not support abortion.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself for making such a charge against someone whose politics and beliefs you are totally unaware.

It's only because I respect the rules here that keeps me from responding to your baseless and vulgar slander with the vigor and language it deserves.

As an aside -- it's Congress or the courts that have the ability to roll back Row v Wade -- not the president.
182 posted on 03/12/2007 4:36:58 AM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: nopardons

"Rudy is liked a LOT in the South! Keep on posting your delusions and you are going to look foolish. :-)"

wait until the nomination process starts. They only candidates that are crying that personal family shouldn't be apart of the nomination process are those that have a history of personal problems. And rudy's got a bunch, not that he wasn't a good mayor and all. I betcha Mitt Romney eventually does better in the south than rudy at nomination time.


183 posted on 03/12/2007 5:03:58 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Beckwith

You support Rudy, rudy supports abortion, so you support abortion.

Go wash the blood of 50 million nurdered babies off your hands. It won't come off.


184 posted on 03/12/2007 5:27:04 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR!)
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To: Beckwith
It's only because I respect the rules here that keeps me from responding to your baseless and vulgar slander with the vigor and language it deserves.

Nah, it's only because you aren't sharp enough to do o that you can't, silly!

Have a nice day. Keep scrubbing.

185 posted on 03/12/2007 5:28:17 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR!)
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To: nopardons

Ha! Your push for a New York Yankee in the south is delusional. Didn't you ever see "10,000 Maniacs"? Besides, Thompson is just now getting serious about running and his folksy attitude/reaganatory personficationalism will get better play than the 2 time loser marital, abortion pushing, lesbian loving, Rudolpho,


186 posted on 03/12/2007 7:19:16 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: nopardons
The Bess Myerson thing was NOT dismissed. She was guilty and she was found guilty at trial.

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From Wikipedia: "In the 1980s, Myerson's life was darkened by a messy legal controversy. Her lover, who had been convicted of tax fraud, was accused of bribing a judge by giving her daughter a job in Myerson's department. Meyerson was herself indicted and resigned her positions with the city of New York. She was ultimately acquitted. The scandal is the subject of a book by Alexander (1991). In recent years, she has promoted social causes and engaged in philanthropy.

187 posted on 03/12/2007 8:51:19 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Angel; briansb; MAK1179
What do I think?

I think Mr. Jim Sleeper is a rambling moron who can't manage to make a case for his own position. From what I see in this piece, Mr. Sleeper is upset that Rudy is a leader with real vision, real goals, and real plans to make things happen (as opposed to the safe, watered down and fake variety we've all become so accustomed to)

This entire piece is a waste of whatever bandwidth it uses or paper it was printed on. No substance whatsoever.

Cheers,
Lloyd

188 posted on 03/12/2007 9:16:09 AM PDT by Lloyd227 (and may God bless Oriana Fallaci)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
I bet you consider your hateful self a Christian.

By the way -- I support no candidate -- your vitriol is based solely on the fact I wrote "He can win." That doesn't mean I support him.

That you have divined from that statement that I support abortion and somehow am guilty of the deaths of 50,000,000 unborn identifies you as a lunatic of the first order.

Have you bombed any abortion clinics lately -- have you murdered any physicians -- are you planning to?

You're exactly the kind of lunatic that justifies leftist attacks against this forum.
189 posted on 03/12/2007 10:08:26 AM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: Beckwith

Keep scrubbing!


190 posted on 03/12/2007 10:25:13 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR!)
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To: nopardons
The Bess Myerson thing was NOT dismissed. She was guilty and she was found guilty at trial.

While you are factually correct to a point, you have not told the full story. That is considered a lie by omission.

191 posted on 03/12/2007 10:27:05 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR!)
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To: Beckwith; Fierce Allegiance
Have you bombed any abortion clinics lately -- have you murdered any physicians -- are you planning to? You're exactly the kind of lunatic that justifies leftist attacks against this forum.

You must have hit a nerve fierce, this one might still have a concience.

If you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, you know which one ya hit by the squealing.
192 posted on 03/12/2007 3:08:29 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium

This place id full of rudykooks, and yeah, we found another.


193 posted on 03/12/2007 3:09:57 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
rudykooks
and prunes you mean?
194 posted on 03/12/2007 3:14:54 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium

This one is a rudykook. The Cranky Old Liberal Hags for Giuliani are The Prunes, with nopartners the Master Prune.


195 posted on 03/12/2007 3:17:19 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

That one got me laughing out loud. You are good, very, very good, please be nice, (not too nice) so we can keep you around.:)


196 posted on 03/12/2007 3:24:15 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium

Oh, don't worry, i'll be around long after the rudykooks blow a headgasket. Clearly, they are already deficient, and the shame from supporting the murder of 50 million babies has to weigh heavily on their feeble minds.


197 posted on 03/12/2007 3:26:24 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR!)
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To: Beckwith
I bet you consider your hateful self a Christian.

Have you bombed any abortion clinics lately -- have you murdered any physicians -- are you planning to?

Wow! That's a little over the top!

Do you consider yourself a Christian?

198 posted on 03/12/2007 3:29:41 PM PDT by airborne (Rudy is nothing but a donkey in an elephant suit! HUNTER 2008!)
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To: airborne

Wow! That's a little over the top!



This whole thread has gotten over the top.


199 posted on 03/12/2007 3:38:43 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: Angel
Why Rudy Giuliani Really Shouldn’t be President

He has no military experience.

He hasn't been in government for over 5 years.

His social policies are those of a Democrat.

Being Mayor of NYC for 3 1/2 months after 9/11 does not qualify him to be the Commander in Chief in war time.

All of his personal baggage will be easy pickings when the Dems and the media turn their full attack mode in his direction.

200 posted on 03/12/2007 3:44:34 PM PDT by airborne (Rudy is nothing but a donkey in an elephant suit! HUNTER 2008!)
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