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"It's the anti-Rudy's that are the ones bringing people to our side with their insults and attacks."

So, people who get their *feelings* hurt from the "anti-Rudys" "bringing people over to your side" to support Rudy. That's deep. And you wonder why the liberal label gets attached to you. Conservatives don't let their feelings get in the way of, or compromise their principles and convictions, but sensitive *feelers* do. Not a very convincing argument to join the Rudy camp if you ask me.

Other than the "fact" that Rudy is the only candidate who can win the WOT, why are you personally so determined to support a liberal candidate this early in the game? What sold you on Rudy, and why aren't you more open to supporting a conservative candidate? Suppose Fred Thompson gets in, could you support him? Remember, while you like to emphasize Rudy's high poll numbers (from the MSM no less), this forum is a conservative forum, and the majority of us here on this forum do not support RINO's, like Rudy. If you and the rest of your Rudy supporters are having a hard time dealing with those of us who find it perplexing, and downright repulsive, that FReepers here would support a liberal candidate, then you are going to be spending an awful lot of time reading negative, and yes, sometimes insulting comments. Your side has shown themselves to be quite vicious at times with their insults and ridicule too, so don't try to claim the moral high ground here, because you can't.

You said, "Folks like you are doing REAL damage to the republican party and I doubt your loyalty to it." You've been here long enough to know that this is not a republican forum, it's a conservative forum. Jim Robinson, and the majority of us here on FR, don't have loyalties to the republican party, that's not what it's about here, so why even inject this into the conversation? We are not concerned about damaging the republican party (nor should we be). However, the republican party should be concerned about the damage THEY are doing by veering to the left and abandoning it's principles. We aren't here to promote the republican agenda, we are here to promote the conservative agenda. If you don't know that by now then I suggest you go and read Jim Robinson's statement of purpose on the home page.

If you've read any of Jim's posts here lately you would know that, not only does he not support Rudy (who he considers to be quite liberal), he doesn't understand why anyone who calls themselves a conservative would support Rudy either. That's pretty much expresses the sentiments of the majority of us here. Now, I know you like to quote those wonderful MSM polls that show Rudy's high numbers, but that doesn't prove anything, except that there are a lot of ignorant people out there (and here) who are willing to compromise their principles (assuming they have any) to support someone that is *popular*, regardless how liberal he is.

Based on your comment, Jim Robinson and those of us who aren't loyal to the republican is doing real damage to the party. Do you really think so? Well, as Jim has often said, "we haven't left the republican party, they left us". Damage is being done alright, but it is not us who is doing the damage. If Rudy gets nominated, there will be a lot of damage done to the conservative cause and it will take years to undo it. Not to mention, supporting Rudy almost guarantees that Hillary is going to become the next POTUS. And if that happens, you've got no one to blame but yourself.

thanks for the post. I think it should be clarified that I was the one who said real damage was being done, not the other side...

You said, "Folks like you are doing REAL damage to the republican party and I doubt your loyalty to it." You've been here long enough to know that this is not a republican forum, it's a conservative forum. Jim Robinson, and the majority of us here on FR, don't have loyalties to the republican party, that's not what it's about here, so why even inject this into the conversation? We are not concerned about damaging the republican party (nor should we be). However, the republican party should be concerned about the damage THEY are doing by veering to the left and abandoning it's principles. We aren't here to promote the republican agenda, we are here to promote the conservative agenda. If you don't know that by now then I suggest you go and read Jim Robinson's statement of purpose on the home page.