You know, I was reading through this thread and was really getting super depressed.
I am so glad you wrote your post.
For once upon a time I was a woman's libber of the highest order and no I'm not proud of it.
But THIS kind of talk by the males of our species (and I really don't know which poster is male or female but one can kind of tell by the content) is exactly WHY I spent so much of my life really bitter about men.
Because no matter what the damn hell a woman does, she is ALWAYS, but ALWAYS, the bad one.
I mean, men got a zipper on their pants. It's depressing to me that men can't assume SOME responsibility for decent sexual behavior. They always get a damn pass and the woman is the bad guy.
Makes me want to go back to my man-hating, women's libbing days. Some of the comments on this thread make me remember just why so many woman got bitter.
The thing that was wrong about Women's liberation was buying into women are just like men including their needs, desires and behaviors. I will get flamed here, but women's liberation in terms of the original goals of female emancipation was needed. When it turned to Marxism, that is when it went wrong. Remember the original feminist were Christians tied very closely to the abolition movement, both related to and tied the birth of the Republican party.
Keep the faith sister, some of us rise above pig status :)
What, men are hopeless, helpless dupes? A small group of bitter women had this incredible amount of influence? Everything was perfect and then feminism had to come along and screw everything up? Utter nonsense.
It's not feminism that is the problem, it's hedonism. And, yes, really men are powerful and meaningful, and have participated in rampant hedonism just as much as women.
Remember, women's lib promised men that they wouldn't have to worry about getting married, having 4.6 children, a mortgage, and a ditsy wife to support. It was free love - and who do you think came up with that idea? Women? Maybe some. But I guarantee that men did too.
What a deal - dump the middle class married drag of a life, and get rid of your Fear of Flying. Trade Donna Reed for Erica Jong. Well, talk about unintended consequences.
Some men are in a constant search for sex. It's up to the woman to tell him "no".
Just like some women are in a constant search to spend money and it's up to the man to tell her "no".
I'm not saying I support this arrangement but it seems to be the way life works, probably because some women like to treat men's money the same way some men like to treat women's bodies.