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To: epow
"It merely dealt with the narrow issue of the utility of Mr. Miller's short barrel shotgun as a militia weapon or accoutrement."

Why was this utility important to the U.S. Supreme Court, in your opinion? What were they going after? Why did they ask the question?

800 posted on 03/10/2007 9:22:22 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Why was this utility important to the U.S. Supreme Court, in your opinion? What were they going after? Why did they ask the question?

The Miller case was interesting because Miller fled before the appeal was heard, and did not appear to prosecute the case. The Supreme Court, I do not believe, received any argument from Miller's side and disposed of the case on the narrowest possible grounds.

819 posted on 03/10/2007 11:45:28 AM PST by Texas Federalist (Gingrich '08)
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To: robertpaulsen
Apparently the majority of that court believed that the militia clause of the amendment modifies the RKBA clause, and therefore the amendment only protects a right to possess arms that are . That would explain why they seem to stress the fact that no evidence was presented to show that a short barreled shotgun has utility as a militia weapon. That has led to a belief by many gun rights advocates that if such evidence had been seen by the court the decision would not have vacated the appellate court's reversal of Mr. Miller's conviction.

For jurists who accept the theory that only arms suitable for militia use were envisioned by Madison when he wrote the amendment, as the majority opinion written by Justice McReynolds indicates the Hughes court did, it naturally follows that they would also believe that possession of a gun that has no utility as a militia arm is subject to regulation by Congress. But I think that theory is inconsistent with the intent of Madison's proposed amendment which was approved by Congress and and ratified by the states. In addition to the comments by Madison himself concerning the people's right to possess private arms, ten days after Madison introduced the 2nd Amendment in Congress Tenche Coxe wrote and published; "As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, . . . the people are confirmed . . . in their right to keep and bear their private arms."

Coxe's comment was given Madison's blessing and was widely reprinted without contradiction by him. That should be enough to give a good indication of Madison's intent for his amendment concerning the possession of private arms of all kinds, and not just those with "utility" as militia armament. Since Madison made no secret of the amendment's intent it must have been known to the members of Congress who ratified the amendment, which indicates their intent as well.

890 posted on 03/10/2007 6:13:53 PM PST by epow (Conservative Republicans win national elections, RINOs lose national elections, history proves it)
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