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To: ctdonath2
"A few inches size difference, and even the change in loading mechanism, do not appreciably detract from the core function which remains pretty much the same."

Baloney. Take four inches off the barrel and you'll see a wider spread and a lower velocity.

"To attempt to draw a line between the two re:RKBA is to expose a bias"

Baloney. The shotgun in use at the time was 20". The law set 18" as the minimum, not because of any bias but because scumbags like Mr. Miller were concealing them and using them in criminal acts. A reasonable restriction that you don't happen to care for.

You come along and start making this 4th grade argument about "if 18" why not 17?" Fine. Make it. But not with me.

1,120 posted on 03/13/2007 4:38:00 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Take four inches off the barrel and you'll see a wider spread and a lower velocity.

A little lower velocity, maybe, although shotguns are not the same as rifles or handguns, they use a different sort of powder, and are lower velocity to begin with.

Secondly, spread is not affected to any detectable degree by barrel length, but rather by the amount of constriction, or lack thereof, in the muzzle end of the barrel. It's called choke. A long barrel with a cylinder choke will pattern pretty much the same as a shorter barrel with the same choke. (That's as open as you can get, it takes a special spreader barrel, sort of like a blunderbuss (the ancestor of the shotgun).

If anything the longer barrel might give more spread, because of it's slightly higher velocity with the same load. (And it would depend on the load, low base target loads would likely show the least difference, with higher speed, and higher recoiling, hunting or defense loads showing a bigger variation in velocity and spread. In any event the difference would be very small, as it's a secondary effect. The primary effect is the choke.

1,124 posted on 03/13/2007 5:31:47 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: robertpaulsen
Mine are 20" and 14". While there is a change in pattern size & velocity, it is not so dramatic as to warrant drawing a bright legal line between them. Mossberg sells a lot of the 14" ones to police & military.

were concealing them and using them in criminal acts

Then ban the concealment and use in criminal acts - just as the Parker verdict observed. Prohibition of mere ownership is not warranted ... especially when modern militaries have discovered that sub-18" barrels ARE particularly useful.

1,172 posted on 03/14/2007 6:28:30 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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