Posted on 03/08/2007 1:50:56 PM PST by quidnunc
Compromise is what politics is about.
You can dislike that statement, and say,
"it ought not be that way"
but none the less, the statement remains true.
It is necessary to compromise on WHO YOU want and
who has the best chance of bringing in 51% of the electoral vote.
OR ...
just be prepared to live under a democrat presidency while you sit smugly
and self-satisfied that YOU would not sacrifice YOUR principles.
Face it, NOBODY who thinks and feels and believes EXACTLY like you do is going to win.
So what do you do?
Do you stay home and not vote?
Do you cast your vote as a "protest" or on "principal" for some candidate
who can not possible win but they most closely reflect your interest?
OR
Do you vote for the candidate who has the best chance of defeating the greater evil?
Lke it or not, that is the way the game of politics is played.
Maybe it ought not be that way,
but the truth is,
that's the way it is.
For me, I realize that neither Barry Golwater nor Ronald Reagan are going to get resurrected to run in 2008.
My preference would be to see Newt in there, but he is such a lightning rod, I question his electability.
I think Rudy is "not TOO bad" and I think he he is VERY electable.
So, for right now, he is 'da man.
This is about the left trying to push the Republican Party to the far left.
It is the Chritine Todd Whitman school of weakness.
"Compromise is what politics is about."
I thought this little gem on the interpretation of the meaning of compromise by different cultures from Wikipedia was very interesting.
"In the UK, Ireland and Commonwealth countries the word "compromise" has a positive meaning (as a consent, an agreement where both parties win something); in the USA it may rather have negative connotations (as both parties lose something). In the former Soviet Union, the word was rather unknown."
I think we are heading toward the Soviet version with HIllary and Rudy. I don't think this compromise is in favor of the Constitution.
And I agree with you, but the question is, "which is worse?"
Abortion and Gay Marriage are huge issues to conservatives. Killing "inconvenient" babies is flat out wrong. I don't understand why more people don't have the guts to stand up and say so. Homosexuality is also wrong, and gay marriage is unacceptable. Gays can be gay all they want, but don't try to push your homosexual agenda on the country. I do not want my kids learning in school that it's normal for boys to like boys, because it's not.
Any potential candidate that is wrong (Rudy) on these issues will not get my vote. I don't care if it's Rudy vs. Hillary.
To quote Rush Limbaugh..... "My success and happiness in life is not dependent on who is in the White House" ...or something to that effect. I feel the same way. Voting for Rudy would mean compromsing my principals, and that ain't happening.
Also, I've gone from being a Sean Hannity fan, to really being disgusted with him by his cheerleading for Rudy. "Rudy will appoint originalist judges"....please. Sean is looking at poll numbers, and compromising his principals to "beat Hillary". Hannity is setting a terrible example for all conservatives..... basically saying that it's okay to compromise your core beliefs to win. I am quickly losing all respect for him.
"And I agree with you, but the question is, "which is worse?""
My opinion it is worse to be betrayed by one that you have supported. Betrayal may not be the right word if their position or beliefs are well documented,even with a promise to suppress them. You then have no defense against the other sides arguments as you have validated them by embracing one with the same beliefs.
The standard rejoinder to the complaint...I can't believe he/she signed that bill, well you voted for him/her.
"Oh, now and then you will hear grown-ups say, 'Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the Leopard his spots?' I don't think even grown-ups would keep on saying such a silly thing if the Leopard and the Ethiopian hadn't done it once -- do you? But they will never do it again, Best Beloved. They are quite contented as they are." Rudyard Kipling
I agree this is the left trying to push Republicans left. I thought this guy George Will was too liberal way back in the 70's when I was still a DimocRat, for goodness sake. What I don't understand is why he thinks he has any place lecturing the "Right" like that.
I will vote for a conservative. I would like vote that way for a Republican in Nov '08.
But then, the far right has nothing on the far left, kooks of a feather.
Unfortunately some freepers think that conservatism means backing people who have no chance of getting the nomination. The GOP tends to nominate frontrunners; let the Dummycrats pick unelectable idealouges.
I remember when these types were all gaga over Alan Keyes. It helps me put things in perspective when I think of who to support.
P.S. That should read "No chance of winning the election." Some people haven't learned a thing since Goldwater.
Gosh, yes. I was just asking Mrs. CT: why don't we have more liberals on FR?
He has already sought to do so as mayor, and he has never apologized for it. Why wouldn't he be worse as President?
Like Bob Dole, for instance? That was an inspired choice.
Maybe when it gets posted the 4th time it will get a better reception here on FR.
As a Duncan Hunter supporter I am choosing not to engage in debate on this Rudy Giuliani thread on Free Republic. As a freeper I am disappointed that there are fans of a liberal presidential candidate trying to push socially liberal views on this socially conservative forum. In particular, I have noticed that the Rudy G fans do not answer posts questioning the qualitative substance of their candidate, or the posts are met merely with insults.
Duncan Hunter's campaign website
http://www.gohunter08.com/
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Video of Rudy Giuliani in his own words
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM
Transcript of video below.
Will the real Rudy show up at CPAC?
Culture of life:
ABC clip:
George Will: "Do you think Roe v Wade was good constitutional law?"
Rudy Giuliani: "Yes I believe, I believe it is."
Cnn Clip December 2, 1999:
Announcer: "Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports."
Rudy Giuliani : "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing."
Immigration
CNN clip:
Announcer: "Back in 1996, mayor Giuliani went to federal court to challenge new federal laws requiring the city to inform the federal government about illegal immigrants."
Rudy Giuliani: "There isn't a mayor or a public official in this country that's more strongly pro immigrant than I am. Including disagreeing with President Clinton when he signed an anti-immigration legislation about two or three years ago."
Gun control:
CNN clip
Rudy Giuliani: "I'm in favor of gun control"
Meet The Press:
Tim Russert: "How about registration of all handguns?"
Rudy Giuliani: "You know I'm in favor of that. I've been on your show many times."
Gay Rights:
CNN Clip:
Announcer: "As mayor he supported civil unions, and extending health and other benefits to gay couples."
ABC Clip: "I supported domestic partnership legislation and signed it"
Meet The Press:
Tim Russert: "So should gay people be openly allowed to serve?"
Rudy Giuliani: "I think people should be judged on the merits. And there should not be a specific focus on someone's sexual orientation."
First Amendment:
ABC Clip
Cokie Roberts: "Would you vote in the senate in favor of Mccain / Feingold?"
Rudy Giuliani: "Yes, I'm a big supporter of Mccain / Feingold. I have been for a long time."
Party Loyalty:
ABC Clip:
Rudy Giuliani: "Frankly George, I'd like to run on all the lines. I'd like to run on the liberal line, the conservative line, I'd like to run on the democratic line if I could figure out how to do it."
Conservative Values:
Meet The Press:
Tim Russert: "Whether it's gays in the military, gun control, campaign finance, late term abortion - you and Hillary Clinton are in sync on those issues."
Rudy Giuliani: "Well then maybe the other side should stop the 'He's part of the vast right wing conspiracy'."
Welcome To CPAC, Rudy!
End clip.
If it were Rudy with a Democrat Congress, I would be somewhat concerned about a gun grab. If the Republicans controlled at least one of the houses, I think a gun grab would be DOA as there are simply too many votes against in the GOP to get a bill to pass. Then again, with the Ladies Club that we have running the party, maybe I shouldn't speak so confidently on this subject.
Consider that Bush the Elder's 1990 AWB didn't require any congressional action. "Stroke of the pen, law of the land, pretty cool, eh?"
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