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What's Happening to Conservative Websites?
vanity | 3-7-07 | Bob J

Posted on 03/07/2007 6:57:43 PM PST by Bob J

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To: skeeter
As long as we're clear you're not reeally about bringing the coalition together, but about pointing the finger, just like the 'extremist' freepers you poo-poo.

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I'm about bringing the coalition together. That means identifying the folks *starting* the fight, and asking them nicely to calm down a bit.

501 posted on 03/08/2007 10:58:51 AM PST by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: Dominic Harr
But I hope we'll all unite against the real adversary, once the generaal election is upon us.

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Even if I have to hold my nose.

503 posted on 03/08/2007 11:09:24 AM PST by wtc911
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To: Dominic Harr

Qualify it anyway you like. But pronouncements on civility ring hollow unless both sides are held to the same standard, which you obviously are unwilling to do. Carry on...


504 posted on 03/08/2007 11:11:37 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Dominic Harr

Well, let's define the issues first, maybe that is a better place to start. We can sort out which are what sort of issue later.


505 posted on 03/08/2007 11:12:11 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: NathanR
When I first signed on, Free Republic was a place where both conservatives and libertarians could discuss political issues freely and mostly politely. As time went on, social conservatives gained more and more power within FR and other views were discouraged. Now more heat than light is generated. You can see this in the Giulaini/Hunter threads.

It seems to me that the libertarians and socons are pretty much aligned behind Hunter.

506 posted on 03/08/2007 11:12:26 AM PST by jmc813 (Rudy Giuliani as the Republican nominee is like Martin Luther being Pope.)
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To: Bob J

Not an election year.


507 posted on 03/08/2007 11:19:47 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Antoninus
"Well personally, if I were a noob and saw so many Rudy threads on here, I'd just assume this isn't the place for me. Same goes for all of the conservative sites that are suffering from Rudy-Spam."

Agree. In recent years, the site seems to have been increasingly hijacked by special interests. The Rudy-span and nuke Iran are obvious ones. In the past many who did not toe the line were liquidated. Sterility has set in.

I hope JR gives a 'pardon' to those removed from the conservative battlefield for opposing ideas.

508 posted on 03/08/2007 11:21:31 AM PST by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Zeroisanumber

I think mergeing to center has taken place on both sides of the fence.
Many could no longer identify with their offical party line.

Someone around here quoted Voltaire " The perfect is the enemy of the good".

Or, If you will not accept anything but the whole pie you are doomed to death by starvation.


509 posted on 03/08/2007 11:22:20 AM PST by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: joesbucks
Giuliani has done well in pushing the Christian Right and the anti-abortion, anti-"gay rights" crowd into a corner. To some extent, they suffer from aging leadership (Dobson, Robertson, and Falwell are in their 70s, and Dobson and Falwell have had health issues) and a lack of recent political successes.

However, Giuliani will have to make a few breakthroughs to win the general election. He has to reach new audiences in his native Northeast and California who have voted for the Democratic nominee in the last four election cycles. His supporters overestimate the support that conservatives will give him out of fear of Hillary becoming President. In 1996, Bob Dole received almost the same number of votes (39 million) that the elder Bush had in 1992 despite four years of Clinton sleaze and socialistic initiatives.

510 posted on 03/08/2007 11:29:27 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Bob J

There's only one Rush Limbaugh. The rest of us are not paid to post our occasional brilliant observations.

Then sometimes, when one has made a superbly astute comment, along comes a rube with a snarky gun to shoot one's arse out the watah.

That get's tiresome.

Then come election time - we gird our loins and lunge once more into the abyss.


511 posted on 03/08/2007 11:32:11 AM PST by sodpoodle (Official Thread Nanny)
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To: Bob J

They all look like they dropped by the same percentages.

In fact, every chart I've seen looks like drops for long-term sites.

I think the poster who noted the rise in anti-spyware knocking out alexa cookies is probably the reason all the sites are getting fewer counts.


512 posted on 03/08/2007 11:40:27 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Bob J
Bob J wrote: …FR used to be a place for exchanging ideas, lately it seems to be the place to shove them down other peoples throats.

I have been poking around various threads and have come to the conclusion that:

1. Free Republic is being deliberately herded further towards the right by the FR brain trust.

2. FR is consciously becoming less congenial to the GOP and its supporters (whether this is due to pure ideology or from the desire not to run afoul of campaign finance laws is not clear to me).

3. The ideologues' jihad against those who realize that the only way to counter the loony left is by winning elections — and that stridency and bombast are antithetical to that goal — has meant that many of the reasonable, erudite and thoughtful posters have departed for more congenial fora.

4. This attrition of articulate, knowledgeable posters has made FR less interesting to all but conservative ideologues.

5. The apparent transmogrification into a sounding board for those ultraconservatives who feel themselves politically disenfranchised will result in reduced readership and further isolation from the political mainstream.

6. My curiosity about the financial ramifications of all this has been aroused.

513 posted on 03/08/2007 11:45:45 AM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: ex-snook
I hope JR gives a 'pardon' to those removed from the conservative battlefield for opposing ideas

I'll nominate apackof2 for amnesty

514 posted on 03/08/2007 11:54:49 AM PST by nascarnation
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To: Dominic Harr
I'm finally getting something right?

Does that mean my prediction that the Cowboys will win the superbowl has a chance?


Hehe...I hope so. :)

LBT
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515 posted on 03/08/2007 11:55:17 AM PST by LiberalBassTurds (Peace is the short interlude between wars.)
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To: wtc911
Even if I have to hold my nose.

I've had to before, myself.

In 04, in fact. I was concerned with GW's big-govt side. Because of the war, I voted for him. But I was not happy about it at all.

516 posted on 03/08/2007 11:59:19 AM PST by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: skeeter
But pronouncements on civility ring hollow unless both sides are held to the same standard, which you obviously are unwilling to do.

:-D

Well, you certainly will go a long way blaming the victim as much as you blame the aggressor!

One side here is trying to push the other side out of the the coalition. Claims of "you're a liberal if you don't agree with me".

That's what I'm against.

517 posted on 03/08/2007 12:01:20 PM PST by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Well, let's define the issues first, maybe that is a better place to start. We can sort out which are what sort of issue later.

Well I'd argue that the only 'federal' issues are defense, interstate relations, and foreign relations.

The rest should be left up to the states.

518 posted on 03/08/2007 12:03:26 PM PST by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: conservative in nyc; Bob J
All true.

I believe we need to keep up with what is taking place on the net. Maybe add a section in the hot issues blue area on the right of just videos.

Right now if you want to find video’s that someone put together you have to do a search for them and even then you might not find some.

Sometimes I just don’t feel like reading… video's are great for that, just set back and watch.

519 posted on 03/08/2007 12:42:33 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* ?I love you guys?)
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To: Dominic Harr; wtc911
How can one be 'hopelessly liberal' on social issues (gun control, abortion, family integrity, open borders, personal responsibility are social issues) and still be a Conservative?

I acknowledge I am 'hopelessly liberal' on THAT ONE ISSUE of illegal immigration.

You are a liar when you call me a liberal...uber liberal, etc..

Regarding your list...gun control...I am definitely pro 2nd Amendment...and don't own a firearm.

On abortion...I am strictly Pro-Life. How could anyone have five beautiful children and not be? But I believe it should be a State issue.

Family integrity...meaning gay marriage? I have a minimalistic view of marriage per se. It's a revokable contract.

I put principle above politics and took a lot of flak for agreeing that Clinton should send Elian back to his blood father. A very ugly period in here.

Open borders ...I am totally against. But once a man runs the gauntlet and sets up a home...works...spends money...and raises a family...well, he's a helleva lot better than the cradle to grave welfare sect. Give them citizenship and get them on the tax rolls. Embrace them and STFU!

Personal responsibility to me means offering a helping hand, not a permanent shoulder.

It means rewarding excellence and risk and it means tough love for the opposite.

So...am I a Liberal or a Conservative?

Awaiting an apology. Hurry.

520 posted on 03/08/2007 1:13:15 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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