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To: sam_paine

No offense to you personally but I'm getting sick of this discussion. Very few "sat it out" to teach the GOP a lesson. Many in the voting population, unfortunately, were not given someone to vote FOR... only AGAINST... again.

Polling and cajoling the true believers and politically active isn't where the answer lies. You can't win if you only get your true believers. You have to sell yourself to the average schlub. The GOP (with the help of the MSM... or lack thereof) failed to do that. Politics is basic marketing... you have to differentiate your product. Growing the size of government, expanding entitlements, shamnesty, laziness and a host of other issues hurt the GOP... not the activists who tried to send a message.


10 posted on 03/07/2007 7:35:42 AM PST by pgyanke (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO COMPROMISE YOUR PRINCIPLES ANYWAY... WHY WAIT?)
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To: pgyanke
I'm getting sick of this discussion.

I didn't really want this to be a discussion....I really just want to log examples of what the election resulted in.

Your anti-Rudy tagline is a good example. I think one of the results of the 2006 election is that smokey room strategists in the liberal-wing of the GOP are emboldened, thus we get Rugy, Mitt, McPain etc---and little party money going to Hunter, etal.

19 posted on 03/07/2007 7:40:49 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: pgyanke
Many in the voting population, unfortunately, were not given someone to vote FOR... only AGAINST... again.

We have a winner-take-all electoral system. This naturally leads to an equilibrium wherein there are two dominant parties who compete for the marginal voter. In practice this means, as you know, that in almost all elections there will be at most two candidates with a nontrivial chance of winning. Thus, if you want to vote at all, your choice boils down to which of those two you would prefer to win and/or which of those two you would prefer not to win. Whether you liked it or not, one of those two candidates was (probably) going to win; if you sat out or voted third-party because you didn't like that you were "only" given someone to vote against, it's precisely as if you didn't vote at all. Does not voting at all make you feel like you had a better choice than if you had gone ahead and voted for some (R) you didn't like all that much?

Anyway, this is all an inevitable, predictable outcome of the fact that we have winner-take-all elections. By complaining that you were "only" given someone to vote against, you are complaining about this natural outcome of our electoral system. Are you advocating a switch to proportional-representation elections?

Polling and cajoling the true believers and politically active isn't where the answer lies. You can't win if you only get your true believers.

Neither can you win if the true believers engage in a masochistic, senseless "revolt" that accomplishes nothing.

Politics is basic marketing... you have to differentiate your product. Growing the size of government, expanding entitlements, shamnesty, laziness and a host of other issues hurt the GOP... not the activists who tried to send a message.

Come on. Both hurt the GOP. It's not either/or.

23 posted on 03/07/2007 7:45:29 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: pgyanke

"Growing the size of government, expanding entitlements, shamnesty, laziness and a host of other issues hurt the GOP... not the activists who tried to send a message."
Yup. (Good tagline!)


44 posted on 03/07/2007 8:03:52 AM PST by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: pgyanke
Well said... frankly I felt like it was the Republicans in congress who were doing it to us, not the other way around like all of these "party loyalty" advocates keep screaming.

If you don't represent me and the issues I care about, then I'm not going to vote for you and I don't give a rats patootie what letter you have after your name. The Republicans didn't lose control of the congress... they gave it away.

67 posted on 03/07/2007 9:06:40 AM PST by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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