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Giuliani Can't Win the General Election
The Sierra Times ^ | 03/07/2007 | John Bender

Posted on 03/07/2007 4:32:54 AM PST by Verax

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To: zook

Well, as I've tried to explain here previously, my opinion based on what Rudy has said is that our gun rights will remain unchanged. No one will take your gun under Rudy. He's made that clear.


It takes a real fool to believe what a politician says when it contradicts what he has done. Do you really believe that Rudy's gun manufacturer law suit would have only affected gun owners in NYC?


161 posted on 03/07/2007 8:03:34 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: Jim Noble

What is considered RINOS around here is actually the base. Those falsely believed to be the base (in actuality is fickle and undependable thus cannot be a base) make up 10% of the electorate AT BEST. Kowtowing to them drives most independents and moderates away.


162 posted on 03/07/2007 8:05:04 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: zook
I think you underestimate the estrogen vote. IF there is no difference between Hillary and Rudy (the one exception is that Rudy looks better in a skirt) then women vote for Hillary because she is a woman. I know that many "conservatives" will sit the election out if Rudy is the candidate. Why - so they can say told you so when Rudy grabs guns and makes the liberal era a golden calf.
163 posted on 03/07/2007 8:06:38 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (So many geeks, so few circuses.)
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To: freedomfiter2

The Rudybots don't seem to understand that...

Both Rudy and Hillary would sign a new and permanent Assault Weapons Ban. The one Caty Mccarthy (D Rep-NY) is pushing now would be a total ban on semi-autos including pure hunting rifles and shotguns. It would even ban a Ruger 10/22.

The 2nd Amendment vote isn't going to a Republican that will not veto that ban. Period.


164 posted on 03/07/2007 8:06:42 AM PST by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: Vaquero

I am with you but it appears that the fix is in for the cross dressing closet lib. What we want has little to do with the outcome.


165 posted on 03/07/2007 8:08:06 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (So many geeks, so few circuses.)
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To: Texas Patriot

Ronald Reagan was an experience and unsurpassable COMMUNICATOR that is what won him the presidency. He could beat the media at its own game because he was CREATED as a national figure BY the media.

The only compable communicator in the race is Giuliani and he will win for the same reason Reagan won, the ability to communicate.


166 posted on 03/07/2007 8:08:16 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Dream on...


167 posted on 03/07/2007 8:08:46 AM PST by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: dmw

Rudy's supporters are not half-assed comic wannabees.


168 posted on 03/07/2007 8:09:18 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: pgkdan

Dreams are not required in order to analyze political realities.


169 posted on 03/07/2007 8:10:03 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: Williams
OK so what is different under Rudy's leadership?
170 posted on 03/07/2007 8:10:12 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (So many geeks, so few circuses.)
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To: Condor51

Florida has a heavy population of NY transplants who would NEVER EVER vote for a republican.

You could run Mickey Mouse as a cartoon character as a democrat and those former New Yorkers would vote for the fictional candidate over ANY republican.

You also have a DEEP core of values voters in the other 63 counties in FL. The Orlando area alone has one of the heaviest concentrations of evangelical churches.

Rudy has HUGE problems in FL.


171 posted on 03/07/2007 8:10:47 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: freedomfiter2

Faulty logic.


172 posted on 03/07/2007 8:10:54 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (So many geeks, so few circuses.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

"Rudy's supporters are not half-assed comic wannabees."

Well, thanks for clearing that up! But their still half-assed, right? ;)


173 posted on 03/07/2007 8:12:11 AM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

"The only state in the South which MIGHT not vote for Rudy is Arkansas."

Where do you live--Fantasyland?

I'm from OK and I can assure you that Rudy is not gonna get the nod from people in OK.


174 posted on 03/07/2007 8:14:46 AM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: Jim Noble
After last year Rove is irrelevant. He shot his wad, over, finito, past the top of the hill.
175 posted on 03/07/2007 8:15:14 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (So many geeks, so few circuses.)
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To: Verax

Mr. Guiliani can't and won't win the general election.

A choice between 2 liberals is no choice at all and conservatives (generally speaking) will not be led down the garden path again.


176 posted on 03/07/2007 8:18:30 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: OB1kNOb

You are so on target. I was in Nashville on 9/11. The general sentiment was "Who gives a $hit what happens to the Jews in NYC?" Direct quote heard several times over the week.


177 posted on 03/07/2007 8:18:48 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (So many geeks, so few circuses.)
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To: zook
I disagree with you.

I have always voted Republican, however, I will not vote for Rudy and have successfully pursuaded friends and family away from voting for him as well. Rudy is not a conservative and he comes from NO moral high ground. If the election comes down to voting for a liberal or for a liberal, I will vote for the liberal who at least proclaims to be one: the democrat. There is no difference beteen Rudy and Hillary on far too many issues that matter to me.

178 posted on 03/07/2007 8:24:04 AM PST by EverOnward
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To: justshutupandtakeit
The only state in the South which MIGHT not vote for Rudy is Arkansas.

Just curious. Why?

179 posted on 03/07/2007 8:24:07 AM PST by OB1kNOb (After 20+ LONG years, a REAL conservative I can support 4 President - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: freedomfiter2
"The writer nailed it. If conservatives put party over principle, they will be to the GOP what the blacks are to the Dems."

I beg to differ. Blacks continue to vote for the dems because they can be taken for granted.

If millions of us refuse to vote for a RINO because we won't be taken for granted, the party will have to notice if it loses.

I'd rather lose for four years, than lose all conservative influence on the party forever.

Sometimes, you have to lose a battle in order to place yourself in a better strategic position to win the war.

180 posted on 03/07/2007 8:25:04 AM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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