Speaking of John Edwards, here's a couple of real fagotts.
Posted on 03/06/2007 9:22:15 AM PST by LM_Guy
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby has been found guilty on four of five counts in his perjury and obstruction of justice trial.
Libby, 56, faces a maximum sentence of 25 years in prison and a fine of $1 million.
Libby was convicted of:
obstruction of justice when he intentionally deceived a grand jury investigating the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame;
making a false statement by intentionally lying to FBI agents about a conversation with NBC newsman Tim Russert;
perjury when he lied in court about his conversation with Russert;
a second count of perjury when he lied in court about conversations with other reporters.
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What does this mean?
Well one of the reasons I finally left the Democratic Party after years of thinking about it was the whole Dem defense of Clinton that Ken Starr set out to find Clinton wrongdoing, and "only" caught him lying about sex. Lying is lying, and you or me or anyone else would go down for something like that, and the President is no different. So I don't think it's fair to say that Fitzgerald was just justifying being put on the case.
As Fitzgerald put it, he was unable to find out if there was an underlying crime BECAUSE Libby was lying. Remember that whole analogy about the umpire not being able to make a call if someone is intentionally kicking dust up to obstruct his view? I think that was a good way to put it.
I personally think what happened is that Cheney wanted to show that Joe Wilson had a clear bias (which he did), and in the heat of anger about this liberal trying to take him down, he and in turn Libby pushed things a little bit too far and tried to emasculate Wilson by revealing his wife got him the gig. That was unnecessary, Wilson had actually LIED about who sent him, why reveal that stuff about his wife? I think it was a cheap shot that backfired.
I think then that when people started talking "treason" for outing a CIA agent (which I think is B.S.), Libby got scared knowing he was involved, they figured that the reporters would never testify (they usually refuse, as Judy Miller did for a while), and we had an election coming up, and Bush said he HAD to testify, so I think that Libby just decided to say he thought he heard it from some reporter to brush the issue away. Remember, Ashcroft was still running the investigation when Libby first testified, and they probably figured he would collect information and take them at their word.
When Fitzgerald was put on the case, by Bush, he managed to get the reporters subpoenaed (which is very hard to do), and I think that Libby was surprised, and all of a sudden the reporters contradicted the story that he thought would be gone by that time.
So I do feel bad for Libby, in a sense. I think that if you go step by step, I can totally understand why he wasn't exactly forthcoming about what they had done regarding Wilson (which I think was mostly fair to do). But I still think he lied to cover it up, and when his story didn't square, he had to go down. Otherwise, we all just lose faith in the justice system.
I just hope that we use this to show that we respect law. I am so glad Bush isn't trying to tear Fitzgerald apart the way that Clinton did to star. Let's respect the legal system, let's admit that nobody's memory is THAT selective, and move on. Otherwise, 2008 is going to be a horrible year.
How can we say it was a witchhunt by sleazebags when Ashcroft started this investigation at the behest of an angry CIA, which itself has stated Plame was covert (which technically I guess she was, but it's an easy mistake to make when someone is living fairly openly), a Bush appointee was put on the case, and the facts of Libby's defense are so tough to believe? That is not right. That's the "Ken Starr is the big bad wolf" defense Clinton tried to use. Libby simply did not tell the truth, and he got caught.
I just hope that Bush ant the Justice Department have the marbles to also hold Democrats to the same standards. Not holding my breath, but I think more people should pay for lying in government.
Wasn't Armitage the guy who first revealed Plame's identity to the press? When did Fitzgerald know it was Armitage? And why did he continue to conduct an investigation once he already knew the identity of the source?
Republicans are too busy going after Ann Coulter to go after Rat shenanigans.
This is awake up call that conservatives must unite and back whoever will defeat Hillary in 08 if Rudy can so be it.Think of the ramifications if we do not!
It's from a story about King Solomon and his search for a magic ring. You can find the story here and it's worth the read if you like Bible stories.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Too_Shall_Pass_-_Phrase
Libby could probably use a fifth (of whiskey), about now.
It wasn't the trial were that dictum came inot play, it was the investigation. If Libby had taken the fifth in front of the grand jury (always prudent bTW) then he would not have been fully co opertaing and he would have been fired.
The genesis of all of this was teh accusation that the White House leaked, to prove that they hadn't full co operation was ordered, Libby got tripped up trying to remember who he talked to and when.
Absolutely.
But don't tell that to the purist.
Ann sickens me lately. She makes it so easy for people to hate Republicans. I know that I hate Republicans who talk as she does, even though 80% of the time she makes perfect sense. Hearing her say that stuff was one thing, but man, hearing people clap at it was just depressing.
I am all for a joke, but that was incredibly stupid. What is the use in calling someone gay? That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard. How about mentioning that Edwards is completely full of it and never knows any details of his incredibly far-reaching ridiculous plans for the country?
Anyway, maybe now with this verdict, Bush and the rest of them will get up and start holding Dems and anyone else accountable for their dishonesty.
I've seen nothing in Bush's 6+ years in the White House that suggests anything of the sort is going to happen.
Edwards reminds me of a sign a bum had saying that he was going to use the money for beer but hey, at least I'm not lying to ya. I think people are really hungry for some honesty even if the guy telling the truth is honestly an idiot.
Speaking of John Edwards, here's a couple of real fagotts.
How interesting saying you love the Clintons is a personal attack.
Thought police. Typical democrat.
You say that we should use it as an example of how we follow the law and the other side does not. Who is going to make that distinction? Who will point out that the Republicans take their medicine when no one even knows what Democrats have done?
The media has given that royal piece of crap, Sandy Berger, a pass on what he did. I have asked family members, friends, and neighbors what they think of Berger and out of approximately 50 people not one even knows the story. Everyone of them, though, know who Scooter Libby is, and everyone of them hopes he goes to jail for outing a CIA agent, not lying, but for outing an agent.
We are going to pay the price for this in '08, we really are because now the media and the democrats have a conviction to prove that we are the corrupt party. They are never seen as corrupt because no one ever knows what they do. They will use this conviction and wow, do they know how to use it. Our side once again in their quest to become minority party will do nothing to defend against lies. They will as usual quake in their shoes hoping that no one shines a light in their direction. We have no representation in this country, none.
But look at the difference between the two parties. The Rats one by one are piling on Libby.
When William Jefferson D-LA's shenanigans were made light, what did Dennis Hastert do? He DEFENDED Jefferson.
Fair enough. But just one question. Why was it that Libby even had to be placed into the position where he felt he had to lie? What was the point of the investigation? Of all the other things that could have been investigated, why this?
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