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I Have Seen the Future: It Is Giuliani (Red State.com)
Red State.com ^ | 3/5/07 | Eric Erkickson

Posted on 03/05/2007 1:11:47 PM PST by meg88

Today I have seen the future and that future is President Rudy.

It's not that I'm voting for Rudy, but the vacuum to be filled has been filled.

Consider this:

Rudy Giuliani and Tony Snow are the only guys who have had to have fire marshals bar people from entering due to overcapacity in a very big room.

In the green room, Giuliani's speech was the only one to cause everyone to sit down, shut up and watch.

More and more, the conservatives at CPAC are realigning. You have the Brownback folks, the Mitt folks, and the people who are headed quickly to Rudy. And you know what? They are more or less cheerful in doing it.

They've found the guy who knows he needs them to get in the door. They know the calculus Rudy has made -- the conservatives aren't selling out their principles; Rudy is telling them he won't impose his social view on them, but he'll keep them safe.

After all, abortion is not an issue when a terrorist has killed you.

Look for all guns to turn on Rudy now. He's been the frontrunner all along and now the rest of the pack realizes it.

The reception he got at CPAC should worry them.

(Excerpt) Read more at redstate.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: beatsduncanlikeadrum; cpac; giuliani; gungrabber; partysplitter; rudy2008
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To: PerConPat
A solid Conservative's voice is needed in the Primary debates to ensure that all candidates are thoroughly vetted in advance of any nominee's selection.

And I suspect there will be. Different debate forums will set different rules, regarding how a candidate is polling in order to get a microphone. I'm not sure how that will all play out.

I'd call for a plea to FR to stop the venom. I've gotten WAY too many freepmails from Freepers who have been here many years who have no desire to be a drama queen with an opus thread, but they're gone just the same.

There's no way in hell that is good for this forum.

And nobody appointed me "Resignation Central." I don't know how many others might have left without a squeak. I'm telling you that it's happening and most freepers won't even notice. But it is a great loss all the same.

I'm willing to guess what will happen next year in electoral politics, but I don't have to guess what will happpen to this forum if the venom isn't stopped right now.

I'm not yelling at you, personally, of course. I'm yelling at the forum. Do not let this continue.

141 posted on 03/05/2007 3:40:00 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: meg88
Why are some Freepers pushing Rudy? He is no conservative.

He is against gun rights, for abortion and loves to hang out with the gay crowd.

He's a democrat.

142 posted on 03/05/2007 3:40:22 PM PST by LibKill (ENOUGH! Take the warning labels off everything and let Saint Darwin do his job.)
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To: LtdGovt
The unborn aren't going to win this election.

The GOP has held on this long because the unborn of the Seventies and Eighties survived their parasitic phase and grew up to become voters.

The unborn are your future voters and taxpayers.
143 posted on 03/05/2007 3:41:56 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: meg88

Not goign to happen. He is an unelectable rino.


144 posted on 03/05/2007 3:42:38 PM PST by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
By the time they left town this morning, they were no longer Rudy supporters. This is going to happen more and more everyday with an increasing number of people.

I agree. It might not be wholesale. But it will be enough to lose at least a few crucial states to the Dims. And I don't believe NY/NJ/PA/CA are going to vote for any Republican for president.
145 posted on 03/05/2007 3:44:52 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: meg88

My official prediction is that Chuck Norris will win the presidency in 2008. :)


146 posted on 03/05/2007 3:46:20 PM PST by Maurice Tift
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To: Dog Gone
I'm not yelling at you, personally, of course. I'm yelling at the forum. Do not let this continue.

I am aware that you are addressing the forum in general, and I share your concern. I can only state that the ad homs flying around here don't do anything for me. My participation in, and support for, FR is based on gaining perspective that might improve my understanding of and effectiveness in the political realm.

I have posted, for years, in international fora where I frequently came up against European Socialists who delighted in flaming American Conservatives. After a bit, I realized that most of this was the result of some strange obsession to conquer in cyberspace-- an illusion at best.

Heat does not impress me; it's light that attracts me.
147 posted on 03/05/2007 3:58:22 PM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: Sensei Ern
The abortions in the USA in one day stops beating hearts equivalent to the number killed on 9/11.

Agreed, and that's an outrage. On the other hand, a Republican has been in the White House for 18 of the last 26 years, and for six of those years, Republicans also controlled both houses of Congress, and yet the only thing we have to show is a ban on partial birth abortion that may not survive legal challenges. The only way to end abortion is to amend the Constitution, and under the Article V of the Constitution, amendments are initiated by Congress or the States, not the President. And while the President nominates judges to the SCOTUS, the best they will do is reverse Roe v. Wade, which will not end abortions, but rather return the issue back to the states, and the blue states -- where the vast majority of abortions are performed -- will continue to allow abortion on demand.

My point is that while abortion is a very important moral issue, the president has very limited power to change the staus quo, so let's not make decisions solely upon that issue. In contrast, the POTUS has huge amount of power with respect to national defense, the war on terror, and economic issues, and so in choosing a president, those are the real issues that deserve our attention.

148 posted on 03/05/2007 4:03:56 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Parrot_was_devastating; Dog Gone; areafiftyone; PhiKapMom; Peach; BunnySlippers; ...
The afternoon drive-time host on the capital city AM station which leads in ratings just kicked off the discussion of Rudy Giuliani by reading my email to him in its entirety. This followed his hosting the RNC spokesperson on Hillary's visit here in which she lauded ethanol--though voted against it 17 times in the Senate. The host is a self-described born-again Christian whose premier issue is saving the unborn. This then is my email he read moments ago:

When you bash Rudy Giuliani for leaving his "wife" remember to include that she was first and foremost a self-centered "actress" playing a part in The Vagina Monologues.

In my view Rudy Giuliani is the one candidate who can beat Hillary Clinton; the others lack the a) name-recognition; b) spine to withstand the Saul Alinsky destruction; c) ability to think on one's feet in debate; d) proven ability to handle a big executive responsibility in a large-scale terror attack (eight million residents during September 11).

Rudy's fiscal credentials have been noted by columnists from George Will to Human Events. He cut taxes in New York and made a surplus where vast debt existed courtesy of Dinkens. He cut the murder rate from 2100 to 600 with other crime stat improvements proportional. Turned off the welfare spigot and put people to work instead, a prime aim of social conservatism.

I am an NRA member (including the right to bear six fundraising solicitations a week) and I understand what Rudy did in New York was to cut crime. I think he gets that you don't come to Iowa and tell Wal-Mart they can't sell ammo, etc.

Rudy has the fiscal conservatism and the strength on national security which were the hallmarks of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan. Both these conservative icons stressed national security and government respect for taxpayer dollars.

Goldwater in his later years endorsed gay rights per the National Review article by William F. Buckley. Reagan began as a pro-choice Democrat and evolved on the issue of abortion.

I see Rudy evolving on abortion as well, and where it really matters (judges) he publicly says he would name the constructionalists such as Roberts, Alito and Scalia.

A win by Hillary-Obama will put a Communist and a Muslim in the White House, and will remove America from the war on Islamofascist terror. In which case we infidels will be the victims.

We win the White House, we win the battle against Islamofascism, we get more judges like Roberts, Alito and Scalia and all of that is a strong step for everything worth fighting for.

I am too much a realist--having gone door-to-door for Goldwater--to risk the unthinkable damage a Hillary Clinton victory would cause.

Newt Gingrich's Contract With America had nothing about guns, gays or abortion--and yet it was a platform for a tremendous victory against Clintonian Communism in 1994.

I appreciate Duncan Hunter's coming to Santa Fe in 2000 to speak on behalf of our former-minister Senate candidate Bill Redmond, but we don't have four years and a billion dollars to carry a single-digit candidate to the White House.

Much the same is true of Mitt Romney, Tom Tancredo, and others.

Perhaps as you say, as a vice-presidential candidate a conservative could be an asset towards victory.

A team effort will be needed to get everything done--and it begins with the top-of-the-ticket victory--which must be an electoral, not a moral, one.


149 posted on 03/05/2007 4:05:58 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: jonno

There's some good in that man. He's got a summer to sell me.


150 posted on 03/05/2007 4:06:38 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Labyrinthos
Congressman in general have too much baggage to successfully run for POTUS when you start reading the fine print of every bill and resolution they have supported or opposed and every C-Span speech they have given to an empty chamber in the middle of the night.

Congressmen face a nearly impossible task for the reasons you mention.

Let's take a closer look at the only one who became President as arguably being a Representative in a far different time.

James A. Garfield.

He didn't campaign to become President before his nomination. He was a very successful Civil War general for the Union, and he parlayed that into a House seat. Eventually he became Floor Leader which is the equivalent of House Majority Leader today.

He had been appointed as US Senator from his state back when state legislatures appointed Senators instead of them being selected by popular vote. So, he also arguably was a Senator, although he hadn't yet been sworn in.

He was no insignifcant figure. He was a leading politician and public figure of his day.

Still, he did not become the Republican nominee until the 36th ballot vote at the 1880 convention. He was a compromise candidate for the delegates.

There is no comparison to today's elections. That's just the way it is. Duncan Hunter, if he becomes the Republican nominee, and certainly if he wins the election, will be breaking new ground entirely.

I'm probably not telling you anything you don't already know, Labyrinthos, merely using the reply to your post to set some facts out.

To suggest that Duncan Hunter's candidacy is the longshot of the century is also probably the understatement of the century.

151 posted on 03/05/2007 4:07:24 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: PhilDragoo

Excellent email, Phil!!

Glad you got it read!


152 posted on 03/05/2007 4:09:21 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: meg88

"Today I have seen the future and that future is President Rudy."

Please save us, Fred Thompson!


153 posted on 03/05/2007 4:10:26 PM PST by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
"What I do know is that they did not get a complete story from you given your other statements."

Apparently you know everything about everything. You have absolutely no idea what our discussions were or if we even had any. Perhaps they got online and decided for themselves.

Rather than make inquiries, you make kneejerk assertions, and I will not again commit the mistake of posting a comment in your direction.

154 posted on 03/05/2007 4:11:19 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: PhilDragoo

Thanks for the ping --- it is good to see Saul Alinsky mentioned --- never, never, underestimate the tactics Hillary will employ. She will do anything to win the election. She must be defeated.


155 posted on 03/05/2007 4:11:23 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: DocH
"I made him aware of his views on abortion and gun control, and that shut him up about rudy.

Encouraging.

156 posted on 03/05/2007 4:15:32 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: Rutles4Ever

You are correct , the conservative right does not have a Horse in this race. I will agree with you on that. The Republican will win though, that I promise you.


157 posted on 03/05/2007 4:16:31 PM PST by cmsgop ( Axis of Evil = Iran , North Korea , Rob and Amber)
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To: garv
What you're up against is the desensitization to the reality of abortion brought on by 34 years of SCOTUS-dictated policy. Many people support it, though Zogby and others have determined the numbers are declining (52-54% now oppose most abortions, although a majority still support Roe - so obvious confusion among people).

Like you, I too see this as an epic issue with profound demographic and cultural impact on the order of a pervasive nuclear winter killing us slowly that makes the WOT look like a minor train wreck by comparison. I also struggle to keep the gruesome reality of this issue visible while avoiding incendiary rhetoric. It's tough.

158 posted on 03/05/2007 4:53:42 PM PST by Lexinom (Duncan Hunter - the electable answer for the WOT and border security. www.gohunter08.com)
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To: PhilDragoo

I see more and more staunch conservatives are getting it about Rudy!


159 posted on 03/05/2007 5:05:11 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons' pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: devolve; PhilDragoo

I got your email today, it's a very good one.


160 posted on 03/05/2007 5:14:04 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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