Black Reparations: From Whom? To Whom?

United American Committee ^ | March 5th 2007 | United American Committee

[Eddie01]

2-1 cav 1975. The silence is deafening. Engage. Engage.

Read my responses and answer in a thoughtful reasoned way that suggests a capability to see/accept another point of view.

Your pal,
Eddie01

[philly-d-kidder]

Slavery was brought to the new World through the Spanish in Cuba The French Haiti English through Jamaica and The Dutch through Martinique...The US was the Ultimate market but the Brokers were the aforementioned.

Irish were slaves in the Caribbean like barbados and St Lucia for the British

Irish then became Indentured slaves in the 1900'so the British in the USA..

[RunningWolf]

address diversity

I know in my heart at some level that there is no diversity among men, it is an illusion.

Yet at the same time, I see it and other forces operate in the world daily.

Want to pin me down? you are getting there :-)

[Eddie01]

Yeah, but how does that info put more money in Americans of African decent bank accounts? /s

Think harder. There must be a way for you to foresake and yours and still maintain your integrity in this whole thing. /s

(good thing I'm in a sea breeze infected tropical paradise right now) ...otherwise I'd be really upset.

[Eddie01]

"Getting there"?

Your a certified idiot. Prove me wrong.

[RunningWolf]

I am a little more than 12 years older than you. I am white color also.

I tend to approach code words as 'diversity' on a abstract level while at the same time impinged upon with my own life experience.

Regards

[Eddie01]

So far, nothing you have said has been helpful. Your mythological "wolf" persona has stated the following.

I am 12 years older than you.
I am white.
I view diversity as abstract
I have life experience that has shaped my views on diversity

Well la ti freakin' da!

[Eddie01]

...and another thing.

I know in my heart at some level that there is no diversity among men, it is an illusion.

B.S. All men are infinitely diverse. Celebration not biased institutionalization is what is required.

[ReignOfError]

Direct reparations to the aggrieved party from the wrongdoer are usually impossible and almost always impractical. The records simply do not exist to weigh individual claims. The whole idea of direct cash reparations is a non-starter,

Is something owed to ex-slaves by ex-slaveholders and the system that sealed their bondage? Sure. And has been addressed in the Freedmen's Bureau, which was shamefully undermanned and underfunded; in affirmative action programs; in New Deal programs to ensure decent housing; in welfare programs to ensure healthful nutrition standards; in desegregation programs to ensure access to good schools; in hate crimes laws to bring down fury on the kinds of crimes that used to go by with a wink and a nod.

It was sealed by the marchers, the Freedom Riders, the sit-in students, the kids who faced the dogs and the hoses. White and black. I can only feel awe for the Freedom Riders who got up from the pavement, bandaged their own wounds, and got back on the bus to go on to the next stop.

Africans brought to America were served a great big s--t sandwich for a couple centuries. It wasn't right, and it wasn't just. Folks who want a hand-up will find my hand extended to them. Folks who want a handout will find my hand in my pocket. Yes, a great wrong happened. That does not not give anyone a forever pass on responsibility for his own life. If you want to move forward, I will help. If you don't want to move forward, I cannot help, even if I try.

[ReignOfError]

I like diversity. A college campus should be diverse. It should be a place where students meet people and encounter ideas unlike what they've seen before. urban, suburban and rural; rich and poor and every gradation in between; different races and cultures and regions. I went to college in Georgia, but I'd never spent more time amongst Yankees before.

What galls me is when diversity -- a suitable goal n itself -- is twisted into code for x% white, y% black, z% Asian, and so on. A white West Virginia coal miner's kid adds more "diversity" than a black doctor's kid from Manhattan. Diversity is a good thing. But only if it's applied by people who understand the word.

[RunningWolf]

No I am just a person on a journey here and you have made many conclusions about me right away, and I know nothing about you. At the same time I guess I fall under that accusation to a degree also.

You come out with the attack on me, and yet you say nothing really, and that is what bothers me more than the attack, that is what makes it personal.

Look, if you are a admin/mod/troll account, and you don't want me here, just say so, and I will be gone. And never to come back.

I guess this is a potential 'opus time' for me. '

To all, I wish that my voice and my message had been more clear to you. For some reason I seem to get caught up in the dynamics rather than the greater arguments.

We are all on a journey just travelers as it were, spot players projected into roles for a tiny time on this eternal screen of his consciousness

To all young souls.., NO-{to personal}

To my friends, you have touched my life and are my wonderful and incomprehensible gifts from God, I do not deserve you.

To my antagonists,you have touched my life, I do no not know what brings us together, but you force me to face everything that I don't want to, and yes at the end, I love you too.

Salute,

Wolf

[Beckwith]

The one I like the best is when these demagogues start wailing that reparations are due because of 400 years of slavery.

The United States was formed in 1776 and slavery was outlawed in 1865. That's 89 years. Still a horrendous situation but it's not 400 years. If they want reparations for the other 311 years they need to see the Europeans -- AND ESPECIALLY THE MUSLIMS who were at the core of this terrible system -- and still are.

And, not all states allowed slavery (map 1857).

[wintertime]

First, what about an American Black U.S. citizen who is not a descendant from American slaves, such as Barak Obama, or others who immigrated to the U.S. from other countries? Clearly, they have no stake in this matter.


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Hey! What if a black has ancestors who were slave owners? Does this black get to pay reparations and receive them too?

[LibWhacker]

Well, I happen to believe slavery was a great sin. However, neither I nor any American alive today had anything to do with it.

Furthermore, none of my ancestors had anything to do with it (except a couple of them died fighting the South); we were dirt-poor farmers from non-slave states. So I don't want to hear anyone say I owe reparations. I will not pay a penny for a wrong I did not commit.

However, I'll tell you someone who should pay (and pay through the nose)... one Mister Al Gore. YOU JUST KNOW that SOBs family probably owned hundreds of slaves (and lynched a few, too) and there's no evidence that that unctuous fool ever did anything to earn his many energy-hungry mansions, private planes, luxury cars, etc. So he's still personally benefitting from a great sin. Someone should take 99.999% of all his wealth and turn it over with Gore's apologies to Al Sharpton for all I care, before even thinking of coming after me for reparations! ...fuh shizzle

[Jacquerie]

Whenever discussion turns to diversity, reparations and other lefty nonsense, I am reminded of an Ann Coulterism, to wit:

Want Ad: "Affirmative Action Equal Opportunity Employer."

Ann: "Well, which is it?"

[doberville]

Thank you for posting a fascinating article. This information is not in general circulation and not seen by the average reader.

Pity. It gives shape and form to the cardboard stereotype.

[Junior]

We are all on a journey just travelers as it were, spot players projected into roles for a tiny time on this eternal screen of his consciousness

Life is but a walking shadow, a poor player who struts and frets his hour upon the stage and is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing.

If you're going to channel the Bard, please complete the thought.

[Old Professer]

From youm to meem.

[Old Professer]

How many times have I asked you to curb that cutting tongue? tsk, tsk, some children, all they ever do is fuss.

Let the Wolf play, he's not hurting anybody.

[Revenge of Sith]

Since the same people who advocate reparations also claim that the ancient Egyptians were black, blacks should pay Jews reparations for slavery...