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To: TommyDale
I think social conservatives can accept that there are many Republicans who will vote for Giuliani under any circumstances. Why can't the Giuliani supporters accept the fact that social conservatives who adhere to principles be given that same consideration?

I'll tell you why (and I am not a Giuliani supporter, by the way). In the 80's and then 90's the social consrvatives and the anti-tax leave me aloners came together to bring about GOP ascendency. Having won over the contry on the idea that big government was not the answer, we turned the reins over to the social conservatives who totally and completely through the idea of small government out the window. They undid 40 years of hardwork and became the biggest spenders and porkers ever. Now, I am a social conservative, but at this point I would now vote for a social rino if the person had a strong anti big government agenda.

18 posted on 03/04/2007 4:33:46 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King

Exactly. The social "conservative" forces in the Republican Party are hard-core tax-and-spenders, and are eager to have government financing social engineering programs, as long as it's THEIR social engineering programs.

A few years back, they were even proposing extra welfare payments to welfare addicts who got "married" (whatever the heck that means -- I don't think government should recognize or have any legal involvement in marriage, which is a social and/or religious institution). How they proposed to keep track of whether the people who'd signed up for the bonuses were actually cohabiting was unclear -- presumably by hiring another army of social workers to pretend to make home visits, and fill out forms saying everything's fine and the 2 spouses are both present (just like they do with the child welfare programs). It was way unclear how welfare mom of 4 kids by 3 different men with long rap sheets was supposed to determine which one to "marry"; probably would have had to choose from the ones who were out of jail at the moment, rather than the ones who were in jail at the moment, but whichever one they chose would likely be back in jail by the time the reams of government paperwork for the bonus were processed. It was also unclear what benefit children were supposed to reap from having their drug-addicted, violent, habitual criminal, perpetually unemployed "fathers", who had no interest in being "married" unless somebody bribed them, living with them. But never mind the pesky details, these social "conservatives" were just sure things would be better if all these low-lifes were "married", and thought it was a project that justified taking more money from the taxpayers.

Thankfully, that particular idiotic notion seems to have faded away, but the fact that it wasn't instantly discarded as preposterous by all social "conservatives" in Congress, was very telling.


36 posted on 03/04/2007 5:03:21 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Rodney King

It wasn't the socons who became the biggest porkers. I think you are misled because W sounds like a socon and turned out to be a big-govt. guy. But the Congressional leadership who wallowed in the trough weren't the hard-core socons. They were careerist Party hacks like Hastert & Frist. They exercised no discipline and had no vision, as did Gingrich.


44 posted on 03/04/2007 5:25:19 PM PST by hellbender
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To: Rodney King

That was a good post. I can't disagree with any of it.


83 posted on 03/04/2007 6:04:56 PM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: Rodney King

That was a good post. I can't disagree with any of it.


84 posted on 03/04/2007 6:04:57 PM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: Rodney King
Now, I am a social conservative, but at this point I would now vote for a social rino if the person had a strong anti big government agenda.

I would likely join you, except that there are no strong anti-big-government candidates to be found. They all seem to have avoided the race and left the anti-gun, abortionist, anti-free-speech, government-healthcare-loving leftist RINOs in their place.

100 posted on 03/04/2007 6:34:07 PM PST by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
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