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The American Debate | Clinton fatigue may not be thing of the past
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | Mar. 04, 2007 | Dick Polman

Posted on 03/04/2007 2:01:41 PM PST by neverdem

Inquirer Political Analyst

And the senator's efforts to dampen criticism and control the Bill-and-Hillary narrative aren't going to work.

The Clintons want to party like it's 1992.

Back at the dawn of their excellent adventure, Hillary would tell voters that she and her husband were a package deal, two for the price of one. And when they found themselves under attack - thanks to his military draft avoidance and bimbo eruptions - they hunkered in their bunker ("the war room," as Hillary dubbed it) and toughed it out together.

Even though the roles are reversed this time - with Bill angling for the job of First Gentleman - the deal is basically the same. They're offering eight more years of the Clinton family brand, and all the potential baggage that goes with it. Bill in particular is both asset and albatross, and both spouses are magnets for partisan flak (even from disillusioned comrades, such as liberal Hollywood mogul David Geffen). Which means that Hillary's only option is to try to sell all this tumult as a good thing. The success of her candidacy may well hinge on her powers of persuasion.

On the stump in early primary states, she says of the Republicans: "I'm the only person they're most afraid of, because Bill and I know how to beat them, and we have consistently... . I know how to fight back." When she floats that argument, virtually touting the virtues of rapid response, I hear uneasy applause. She is essentially promising eight more years of polarized politics in Washington.

But I sense that many Democrats aren't necessarily sold on the idea of extending the war-room ethos into 2016, and that creates a potential opening for a rival (perhaps Sen. Barack Obama) savvy enough to suggest, without getting personal, that Clinton fatigue should remain a malady of the late '90s.

Amid all the talk about the potential milestones in the '08 race - the first major female candidate, the first major black candidate - we often overlook the historic Bill factor. Never before has an ex-president auditioned for the role of White House spouse. This is a complicating factor that delights the many Democrats who associate Bill with the pre-9/11 peace-and-prosperity era. But a sizable share of Democrats yearn to turn the page. I hear that some Democrats only half-jokingly liken Bill to The Thing That Wouldn't Leave, a John Belushi character on Saturday Night Live who parked himself on people's sofas, stayed all night, and ate everything in sight.

The significance of David Geffen's outburst - 11 days ago, he called the Clintons nimble liars who don't stand for anything, and he implied that Bill is still catting around - is that he said in public what a lot of Democrats mutter in private. One party strategist, who does not work for Hillary, told me that she would like to put Bill "in a cage somewhere, with a blanket thrown over it." These Democrats fret that Hillary's tepid poll ratings (in the latest ABC News-Washington Post survey, 48 percent of Americans view her unfavorably) are partly attributable to public concerns about another package deal.

Those concerns may well persist, because nobody knows the terms of the deal. Would Bill function as First Adviser? Would he agree not to upstage her, by staying out of the limelight that he loves? Would she agree not to make decisions that would benefit his global initiatives? Would she risk her presidential standing to defend him again if he does something to embarrass her? The terms of the deal are inextricably tied to the nuances of their personal relationship, and even those who know the relationship won't talk about it. As a Hillary adviser recently told an inquiring Newsweek reporter, "If that's what you want to talk about, I'm hanging up right now."

Team Hillary's rapid response to Geffen also serves as a warning to all who might seek in the future to criticize the Clintons, or simply raise questions. The Hillary camp assailed Geffen's remarks as epitomizing "the politics of personal destruction" and demanded that Obama denounce Geffen and return the money Geffen had just raised for his campaign. In essence, Hillary was spreading the word that she deems all criticism of the Clinton couple to be off-limits in this presidential campaign. That's a pretty broad decree, and nervy as well; presumably, it means that Obama would be practicing the politics of personal destruction if he again contends (as he did last October) that Bill is "trapped by his own biography."

Hillary's concern is understandable, up to a point. Some of the usual suspects on the right are reportedly gearing up for a fresh round of Bill-and-Hillary-bashing, aided this time by Dick Morris, the ex-Clinton pollster dumped by the First Couple in 1996, when he was found to be cavorting with a hooker. And the cable TV shout-fests are thirsting for raw meat; witness this series of questions and comments from Chris Matthews a few weeks ago, as he queried Hillary aide Ann Lewis: "Is Bill Clinton going to be a problem in this campaign?... . Is he going to behave himself?... Is he going to behave himself?... Is he going to behave himself, not cause a publicity that gets her embarrassed?... So he's going to behave himself... . I think it'd be great for the country if we were not once again distracted... . "

But it's Hillary who has put the Clintons in play. She typically praises her husband's presidency, and her campaign has coached Hillary fans to deliver the same message to skeptics and inquiring reporters; for instance, in a February memo, supporters in Iowa were told to say this: "A lot of Americans will gladly take the eight great years of economic prosperity and peace that the Clinton administration delivered."

In other words, Hillary herself has made Bill fair game. It strains credulity to think that she can police the campaign discourse, that she can publicly extol his positives without taking heat from rivals and critics about his negatives. Nor does her censorious stance benefit her image, since she is already widely viewed, perhaps unfairly, as a humorless control freak.

As Democratic-friendly blogger Mickey Kaus said the other day on his Slate-sponsored site, "Enforcing taboos doesn't work like it used to" before the invention of the Internet. "Today, if people have things to say, they're going to say them. If the candidates don't say them, and the [mainstream media don't] say them, that doesn't mean they won't get said... . [Hillary's] fellow Democrats are tolerant, but they wonder what the deal [with her husband] is. That isn't the 'politics of personal destruction.' It's due diligence."

Hillary would prefer that Bill work his political wiles behind the scenes; indeed, he has been tapped by her team to host a series of small, private events with elite donors, feeling their pain for six-figure gain. But she won't be able to control the story, because Geffen has given voice to those in her party who still feel fatigued by the late '90s - including Marty Peretz, longtime Democratic activist and proprietor (until recently) of The New Republic magazine, who wrote the other day: "I believe that deep down the country agrees with Geffen. It does not want to relive the Clinton years."

There are still a lot of Democrats who remember how they were compelled to defend Bill's lies during the Lewinsky affair; who remember that he had promised to run "the most ethical administration in history"; who remember how he left office by pardoning a rich tax felon who had donated generously to Clinton causes and whose ex-wife happened to be one of Hillary's pals. These Democrats have no interest in another package deal, or a Clinton family dynasty. They have wanted to fight the Clintons for a long time. Hillary can win this fight, but she cannot suppress it.

Contact Dick Polman at dpolman@phillynews.com or see his blog at http://go.philly.com/polman.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: clintonfatigue; dyingcampaign; hillaryclinton; hillbilly; icemachine
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1 posted on 03/04/2007 2:01:47 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

They don't want you Hill and Bill, kapish?


2 posted on 03/04/2007 2:03:51 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: yldstrk
on fox radio news (no transcript) but the hildibeast just upped the total "uninsured" to 46 million
3 posted on 03/04/2007 2:05:47 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: neverdem
Hillary can win this fight...

Only because clintons cheat.

4 posted on 03/04/2007 2:06:00 PM PST by bannie
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To: neverdem

Their "marriage" was one of convenience and ambition. I doubt the two ever loved each other. Although I am disgusted by it I am not the least bit surprised Bubba went looking elsewhere. The very fact that Hillary has stood by him through all of it is proof positive that the marriage itself is of little value but just an instrument of her ambition. Any other woman with a modicum of self respect would have tossed his ass in a NY minute.


5 posted on 03/04/2007 2:06:21 PM PST by stm (Believe 1% of what you hear in the drive-by media and take half of that with a grain of salt)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Maybe they got your number?


6 posted on 03/04/2007 2:06:49 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Main Entry: dy·nas·ty
Function: noun
Pronunciation: 'dî-n&-ste also -"nas-te, esp British 'di-n&-ste
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
1 : a succession of rulers of the same line of descent
2 : a powerful group or family that maintains its position for a considerable time
- dy·nas·tic/dî-'nas-tik/ adjective
- dy·nas·ti·cal·ly/-ti-k(&-)le/ adverb




YOU willieee and hilllereee are FAR from being a dynasty. You are both jokes and a disgrace to this country but a dynasty???? Don't make me laugh.


7 posted on 03/04/2007 2:07:57 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: neverdem
Nor does her censorious stance benefit her image, since she is already widely viewed, perhaps unfairly, as a humorless control freak.

Unfairly? Heh.

8 posted on 03/04/2007 2:08:09 PM PST by scott7278 (Free soil, free labor, free speech, free men!)
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To: neverdem

A simple question: Will he give up all speaking fees and book deals while she is President? Why presently is the spouse of a sitting Senator allowed to collect monies from other countries and various corporations?


9 posted on 03/04/2007 2:10:42 PM PST by SoCalRight
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To: neverdem

Has she hired the Snake and the Forehead yet? Is Lanny Davis going to be one of her spokesmen? Is Ann Lewis going to get her unstoppable mouth going again for the Hildabeast?

The War Room collected together again?

Who is Sick Willie hitting on now?

Inquiring minds want to know.


10 posted on 03/04/2007 2:14:40 PM PST by Ole Okie
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To: neverdem

I live in NY and watched with utter disbelief how the media assassinated a outstanding Republican opponent to Hillary (Rick Lazio) and deified Hillary in the evil crook's first Senate campaign.

My message to the rest of the USA: Be afraid. Be very afraid.


11 posted on 03/04/2007 2:21:16 PM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: stm

Bill was already "looking elsewhere" before they got married. He married her only because she was willing to take the C--P he dishes out. She knew exactly what she was getting and so did he.

It's a marriage of convenience .. but only for them. They believe they are ENTITLED to rule us (the little people), and we should know what's good for us .. and how dare we even try to challenge their assent to the throne!

Puhleeeeeeeze! Spare me!

I'm fatigued already by this phoney people!


12 posted on 03/04/2007 2:30:53 PM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: neverdem

LOL- President Hitlery is my worst nightmare.


13 posted on 03/04/2007 2:35:39 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: CyberAnt

I haven't heard from you...who do you support at this point, Cyber...who do you think can beat Hillary?


14 posted on 03/04/2007 2:36:31 PM PST by Hildy (RINO=RUDY IS NUMBER ONE)
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To: neverdem

Now's the time to dump him.


15 posted on 03/04/2007 2:40:36 PM PST by bkepley
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To: Hildy

I'm supporting Duncan Hunter at this point .. but I think Rudy may have a better chance of beating Hillary. And .. as I've said publically already .. I will vote for the repub nominee, even if it's Rudy. I will never allow Hillary to take away my right to vote.

I think a lot of dems would vote for Rudy (against Hillary), but they would never vote for Duncan Hunter.

Right here in this thread's article, it says that many democrats feel the very same way as Geffen .. which tells me that Rudy might have a really good chance of defeating her (because he's NOT totally conservative - many dems would vote for him).

Sadly, that seems to be the reality.

And .. I know a lot of people don't like it.


16 posted on 03/04/2007 2:51:54 PM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: yldstrk

What's a "kapish"? Is that pronounced "kaa-pish"?


17 posted on 03/04/2007 2:54:46 PM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: neverdem
Run sHillary!

18 posted on 03/04/2007 2:58:59 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: potlatch; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; Grampa Dave; Interesting Times; Alamo-Girl; neverdem



 THE  WAY  WE  WERE 




19 posted on 03/04/2007 2:59:31 PM PST by devolve ( ........upload images free & fast at tinypic.com or Photobucket or Imagecave)
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To: devolve

I'm just looking at your dinky little post here - snort!!

Lol, beautiful post and Hillary is ranting and raving.

Fantastico!


20 posted on 03/04/2007 3:05:15 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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