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Iraq's Mandaeans 'face extinction' [Muslims: Convert or die.]
BBC News on line ^ | March 3, 2007 | By Angus Crawford, BBC News, Damascus

Posted on 03/04/2007 10:44:12 AM PST by aculeus

The Sabian Mandaeans - one of the oldest religious groups in the world - are facing extinction, according to its leaders.

They claim that Islamic extremists in Iraq are trying to wipe them out through forced conversions, rape and murder.

The Mandaeans are pacifists, followers of Adam, Noah and John the Baptist.

They have lived in what is now Iraq since before Islam and Christianity.

More than 80% have been forced to flee the country and now live as refugees in Syria and Jordan.

Even there they do not feel safe - but they say western governments are unwilling to take them in.

Victim voices

There are thought to be fewer than 70,000 of the Sabian Mandaeans spread across the world - only 5,000 are left in Iraq.

Nine-year-old Selwan likes watching cartoons and playing football.

But he is too scared to leave his flat. The other children tease him.

He has burns all down the side of his face and on 20% of his body.

He was kidnapped by Islamic militants who forced him to jump into a bonfire - because he is Mandaean.

Now his family lives in a tiny flat in a slum in Damascus.

I meet Luay. He is too scared to be identified and does not want to use his full name.

He was dragged off the street by armed men and forcibly circumcised - a practice not allowed in the Mandaean religion.

He is 19 and is now unlikely ever to find a bride from his own faith.

Worse, he was forcibly converted. That means in the eyes of those same extremists if he now declares himself Mandaean he is apostate.

That makes him a traitor to Islam, who may be murdered. He says he will not be safe in any Muslim country.

'Convert or die'

Then there is Enhar, raped by a gang of masked men in front of her husband - because she would not wear a veil.

Our ethnic minority and out ancient religion will die off Kanzfra Sattar, Mandaean bishop

Mazen used to be a prosperous jeweller. Now he lives in a cramped flat, with his wife and children. Water drips through the ceiling.

His legs are peppered with machine-gun wounds, he can barely walk.

Shoaki wears a Manchester United hat and shows me the scars where a gang beat and cut him with a knife - he watched his brother murdered in front of him.

Mandaean elders use words like annihilation and genocide - they believe Islamic militants, both Sunni and Shia, offer them two choices - convert or die.

"Some will not consider us people of the book... they see us as unbelievers, as a result our killing is allowed," says Kanzfra Sattar, one of only five Mandaean bishops left worldwide.

'Wait in line'

He believes they are a litmus test for modern Iraq - in a secular state these doctors, engineers and jewellers would thrive.

In the country as it is without law and in the grip of religious extremism, he fears they will be destroyed.

"We are small in numbers, we ask all the governments of the world to extend a hand of help," Kanzfra Sattar says.

He says he wants the West to accept his people as refugees.

I ask him what will happen if they do not - he replies simply: "Our ethnic minority and our ancient religion will die off."

The UN's refugee agency, the UNHCR, says there may be as many as a million Iraqis who have fled to Syria.

"The numbers that will be resettled are tiny compared to the very large numbers that are here," says Laurens Jolles, the head of a UNHCR team.

He acknowledges that the Mandaeans will just have to "wait in line", with other vulnerable groups.

Roughly two million Iraqis have fled to Syria, Jordan and Turkey. But there are no plans to welcome large numbers to the West.

The US has offered places to 7,000, while Britain says it will consider every case "on its merits".

So the Mandaeans wait in line.

Shoaki puts it more simply: "Here, we live in despair." Story from BBC NEWS:

Published: 2007/03/04 11:10:29 GMT

© BBC MMVII


TOPICS: Extended News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: catholic; chaldeans; christian; iraq; islamicinqisition; islamofacists; islamofascism; mandaeans; persecution; religion; religionofpeace; religionofpieces; rop; sabianmandaeans; trop
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1 posted on 03/04/2007 10:44:16 AM PST by aculeus
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To: aculeus

Also to be prayed for are the Chaldeans. They are also persecuted in Iraq.


2 posted on 03/04/2007 10:47:36 AM PST by sauropod ("An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools." Ernest Hemingway)
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To: aculeus

Wonder what them 'moderate' muzzies have to say about this..........................crickets........


3 posted on 03/04/2007 10:50:05 AM PST by Roccus (They're living in the Dark Ages and they act like they own the world. [Dmitri Gredenko])
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To: aculeus
Religion of peace
4 posted on 03/04/2007 10:50:30 AM PST by ditto h
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To: aculeus

I believe that all the killing and maiming Muslims have done in the name of their religion will be visited back on them, a hundredfold.

I believe that the present situation in which so many Muslims worldwide find themselves -- poverty, hopelessness, despair -- is the beginning of retribution for their religion's sins, but not the end.


5 posted on 03/04/2007 10:55:03 AM PST by Mr J (All IMHO.)
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To: aculeus

The most shocking thing about this article is the BBC dared to print it.


6 posted on 03/04/2007 11:02:47 AM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: ditto h

Religion of peace and extermination of "infidels"


7 posted on 03/04/2007 11:02:57 AM PST by stm (Believe 1% of what you hear in the drive-by media and take half of that with a grain of salt)
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To: aculeus

Good article. Thanks for posting this.


8 posted on 03/04/2007 11:08:58 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: aculeus

Islam is a faux religion created as a tool of conquest and personal financial enrichment by Muhammad. "The Prophet" was a gigolo, bandit, religious plagiarist, pedophile and one of the shrewdest flimflam artists in history. If he could come back to life he would have a chuckle that so many generations of ignoramuses turned his bigoted, self-serving "pronouncements from God" into a global movement bent on self-destruction.


9 posted on 03/04/2007 11:22:52 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: aculeus

aculeus, this is very disturbing. I was unaware that it was happening. Thanks for posting the article.


10 posted on 03/04/2007 11:27:04 AM PST by EnjoyingLife
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To: aculeus

Good article. Thanks for posting this.


11 posted on 03/04/2007 11:28:00 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

They are being real careful what they print coming out of Pakistan...and there is a LOT happening there right now....


12 posted on 03/04/2007 11:32:53 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: aculeus

The ideology of death and destruction is also intolerant.


13 posted on 03/04/2007 11:36:51 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: aculeus
Blessed are those who suffer for his name sake. He is with them, they are not alone. Don't ever think that JESUS does not see this world and does not help those who suffer. We can pray for them, but in my heart He knows what they are going through in the end HE, HIS word and His Church will rule. Trust in HIM we are not alone and neither are they.
14 posted on 03/04/2007 11:49:42 AM PST by betsyross1776 (BIG HOME DO NOT BUY YOU HAPPINESS)
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To: aculeus; SJackson; Salem

BTTT


15 posted on 03/04/2007 11:53:58 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Mr J
I believe that all the killing and maiming Muslims have done in the name of their religion will be visited back on them, a hundredfold.

I believe that the present situation in which so many Muslims worldwide find themselves -- poverty, hopelessness, despair -- is the beginning of retribution for their religion's sins, but not the end.

AMEN!

16 posted on 03/04/2007 12:22:55 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
The most shocking thing about this article is the BBC dared to print it.

Why? Anyone who opposed the war would see this as more confirmation that they were right in fearing that it would produce negative unintended consequences. Chief among these, of course, has been the empowerment of a Shi'te fundadmentalist regime in Iraq which includes the support of Al-Hakim and his Badr organization.

17 posted on 03/04/2007 12:29:11 PM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: SJackson; Alouette; Salem; ExTexasRedhead; river rat; SandRat; navyguy; NYer

religion of pieces at work again ping


18 posted on 03/04/2007 12:30:12 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Well said and a dead on BULLSEYE.


19 posted on 03/04/2007 12:36:21 PM PST by navyguy (We don't need more youth. What we need is a fountain of SMART.)
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To: navyguy
You may already be familiar with Robert Spencer's "The Truth About Muhammad." If not it is scholarly and sticks to facts:

http://www.amazon.com/Truth-About-Muhammad-Intolerant-Religion/dp/1596980281
20 posted on 03/04/2007 12:59:17 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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