John Edwards Hopes to Raise 'Coulter Cash' After Commentator's 'Faggot' Comment

Fox News ^ | March 04, 2007

[SJackson]

Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards John Edwards' campaign, reacting to derogatory comments by conservative commentator Ann Coulter — she called the former North Carolina senator and presidential hopeful a "faggot" — is trying to turn it into a rallying point for fundraising, asking supporters to donate $100,000 in "Coulter Cash."

It was unclear from the statement on the Edwards campaign Web site what the money would exactly go to, but it did address the comments directly.

[Peach]

Edwards was on the ropes; Ann helped invigorate his campaign.

[BigSkyFreeper]

Edwards was on the ropes; Ann helped invigorate his campaign.

If the Democrats donate to his still faltering campaign, so be it. That'll mean less money for Obama and Hillary.

[Sam Hill]

"Edwards was on the ropes; Ann helped invigorate his campaign."

Of course this is preposterous. But even if it wasn't, isn't that a good thing?

Or do you want Hillary to have an uncontested primary so that she can stockpile her war chest for the general elections.

That's good thinking!

So maybe you should be thanking Ann.

(I love seeing how some people will clutch at any straw to dramatize this non-story about a joke.)

[MaestroLC]

It surprises you the left would take advantage of a comment like this?

No, it does not surprise me at all. It was expected. But reading the posts these posts couple days, I am surprised that people are wimping out and skewering Ann for telling the truth and pointing out the hypocrisy of political correctness. Three GOP candidates, Dems, media that condemned her have also proved her point. They fear words, which is childish.

[SJackson]

Edwards was on the ropes; Ann helped invigorate his campaign.

She did, as well as burying Romney's victory in the CPAC poll.

But that doesn't matter, she got to associate Edwards with faggot in the public mind, and that energizes the "true conservatives" who tell us every day that they'll be staying home or voting third party.

You know, the Republicans of conscience.

[Kickass Conservative]

Of course all the (R) candidates jump all over each other to denounce her for saying something she didn't say. Does anybody on our side have any balls? Where is the RNC head calling for the (D) candidates to denounce Edwards bloggers and Bill Maer? I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning, don't you?

[MaestroLC]

Edwards was on the ropes; Ann helped invigorate his campaign.

What's wrong with that? He's a lunatic. Best of all, he's a Dem lunatic. He gets some air time to spew his kook ideas, fine by me. Dems/media will say what they want to say anyway, they will say conservatives are evil homophobes anyway, so let's go for it and not be afraid of words to speak the truth.

Ann gets more air time to point out why she said what she said, great! Ann can take the arrows, as she usually does, but she won't wimp out like some GOPers. I like her fightin' spirit!

The fringe Dems are mad at Her Shrillness, and Obama is a lightweight that has a smooth delivery. I say we prop up Edwards for the sake of the kook moonbat Dems out there!! They need representation!! ;)

[Leftism is Mentally Deranged]

They sure will make hay over this, since they have been saying for years that conservatives, Republicans, and Christians are homophobes.
Ann deserves whatever criticism she gets, because she should know that everything that conservatives say is listened to, recorded, analyzed, and used against them.
Ann gets no sympathy from me.

[chiefqc]

Instead of using her reported remark to raise money, why not sell some of his old dresses.

[Suzy Quzy]

Let's all send him some PINK Monopoly money!

[KC_Conspirator]

And she stirred up the usual assortment of yahoos who want to corner the market on words and language.

And those who want to corner the market on what is "offensive" and what is not.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

I mean, when you can't call a faggot a faggot, what's this world coming to.

But he isn't a faggot and no one really thinks he is. That's WHY it is funny. It is wrong to insert a different meaning to this bit of humor.

That said, I think people should be free to use the word if they want to. Homosexuality is a nasty act. I don't use the word myself, but to say someone shouldn't is like saying they shouldn't use the word "crook." Hey, if you are going to do the deed, proudly parade around in the streets, and peddle it to minors, then others ought to at least be able to use a goofy sounding word to discribe your nastiness.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

But that doesn't matter, she got to associate Edwards with faggot in the public mind, and that energizes the "true conservatives" who tell us every day that they'll be staying home or voting third party.

You are way too smart to be falling for all these dishonest arguments. You won't accept it was a joke stemming from ridiculous current events where words are evil and perverse deeds are respected -- by force if need be. You won't even accept that she wasn't REALLY calling a married man a faggot. You're smart. Surely you have some sense of irony and humor.

[SJackson]

You are way too smart to be falling for all these dishonest arguments. You won't accept it was a joke stemming from ridiculous current events where words are evil and perverse deeds are respected -- by force if need be. You won't even accept that she wasn't REALLY calling a married man a faggot. You're smart. Surely you have some sense of irony and humor.

Of course I do. I accept that it's a joke. I know she wasn't calling Edwards a faggot. It's a shame Ann didn't clarify what she said, there was a point to be made there. But by not clarifying, as in right away, three Republican canidates have had to distance themselves from her remarks. And Ann's faggot remark is getting as much attention as Romney's CPAC straw poll victory. Good for Ann, not good for Romney. As a Gingrich supporter maybe I shouldn't care, but it hurts Republicans, all of them. Not a concern to FR's antiRudy I'm going third party or staying home contingent, but it should be to the rest of us.

[SJackson]

There's no bigger supporter of Israel than I am.... My point is that you are a one issue poster. But you took time out from your ax grinding to bash Coulter -- over a joke....One wonders why....=t run away, and claim victim-hood and anti-Semitism because I called you out on backstabbing a great conservative and supporter of Israel....It doesn't surprise me at all.

I care about as much about your suupport of Israel as I do Hillary's

I maintain a ping list on Israel, that bothers you, whine to management, they can pull the plug anytime they want.

Victimhood, s*it, you call me a pussy who supports only the ADL authorized candidate, I'll respond. My last 150 or so posts.

Yes, I post threads on Israel and ping people.

My actual comments, feel free to point out how they're one issue only. Israel the one topic I presume.

John Edwards Hopes to Raise 'Coulter Cash' After Commentator's 'Faggot' Comment

Posted by SJackson to The Ghost of FReepers Past
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 2:41:25 PM CST · 114 of 114

You are way too smart to be falling for all these dishonest arguments. You won't accept it was a joke stemming from ridiculous current events where words are evil and perverse deeds are respected -- by force if need be. You won't even accept that she wasn't REALLY calling a married man a faggot. You're smart. Surely you have some sense of irony and humor.

Of course I do. I accept that it's a joke. I know she wasn't calling Edwards a faggot. It's a shame Ann didn't clarify what she said, there was a point to be made there. But by not clarifying, as in right away, three Republican canidates have had to distance themselves from her remarks. And Ann's faggot remark is getting as much attention as Romney's CPAC straw poll victory. Good for Ann, not good for Romney. As a Gingrich supporter maybe I shouldn't care, but it hurts Republicans, all of them. Not a concern to FR's antiRudy I'm going third party or staying home contingent, but it should be to the rest of us.

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John Edwards Hopes to Raise 'Coulter Cash' After Commentator's 'Faggot' Comment

Posted by SJackson to Peach
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 12:25:48 PM CST · 105 of 114

Edwards was on the ropes; Ann helped invigorate his campaign.

She did, as well as burying Romney's victory in the CPAC poll.

But that doesn't matter, she got to associate Edwards with faggot in the public mind, and that energizes the "true conservatives" who tell us every day that they'll be staying home or voting third party.

You know, the Republicans of conscience.

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John Edwards Hopes to Raise 'Coulter Cash' After Commentator's 'Faggot' Comment

Posted by SJackson to wny
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 9:27:04 AM CST · 70 of 114

This is why Newt's not in yet. He avoids all this crappola.

You're right, and if he had any sense he'd bar workers from internet websites if he enters. Stupid Newt is not.

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John Edwards Hopes to Raise 'Coulter Cash' After Commentator's 'Faggot' Comment

Posted by SJackson to Sam Hill
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 9:26:00 AM CST · 69 of 114

You disgusting p*ssy....I hope Coulter remembers not to endorse any of these candidates...She wouldn't want to hurt their cause...Maybe your endorsement will balance it out... (Of course only if they get a 100% rating from the ADL.)

Yes, I'm a Jew, and i know that figures large in some peoples thinking. I won't both responding to the rest.

AM----I presume someone will complain. This is FR at it's best, we see it thread after thread. I'll leave the thread for now, it doesn't need pussy Jews on it. And by all means, these comments should STAY UP.

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John Edwards Hopes to Raise 'Coulter Cash' After Commentator's 'Faggot' Comment

Posted by SJackson to tioga
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 9:17:47 AM CST · 62 of 114

-it was an obvious joke......not one of her best, but a joke just the same.

I agree. I'm sure she was asked afterward, I wish she'd simply said, gee, you guys can't take a joke, I was commenting on our climate of political incorectness, not calling Edwards a faggot.

I'm not sure this batters all that much, but to the extent it does, dominating the political news for a couple days, I'm in the apparent minority of Freepers who think it's a negative for Republicans. Ann's not naive, she knows that.

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John Edwards Hopes to Raise 'Coulter Cash' After Commentator's 'Faggot' Comment

Posted by SJackson to tioga
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 9:12:40 AM CST · 54 of 114

-have you EVER been to CPAC?

No.

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John Edwards Hopes to Raise 'Coulter Cash' After Commentator's 'Faggot' Comment

Posted by SJackson to svcw
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 9:12:19 AM CST · 53 of 114

What did she actually say?

“I was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word ‘faggot,’ so I — so kind of an impasse, can’t really talk about Edwards.”

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Posted by SJackson to Peach
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 9:11:43 AM CST · 52 of 114

This is going to be a big vote getter, I just know it.

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John Edwards Hopes to Raise 'Coulter Cash' After Commentator's 'Faggot' Comment

Posted by SJackson to tioga
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 9:10:39 AM CST · 50 of 114

-she made a bad joke using the word "faggot", but did not call edwards one. I guess you think this is worth a thread...so take your hits. She is a book selling commentator looking for laughs. She got them. So? This just gives edwards one more news cycle, but he isn't going to be a winner for the dem nomination anyway....

She did get laughs, I think it will help her image.

But she was speaking at CPAC, same podium as Republican Presidential candidates. Not Hannity, not a comedy club.

You think this is a net positive for Republican's, one that will bring in votes? How many?

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John Edwards Hopes to Raise 'Coulter Cash' After Commentator's 'Faggot' Comment

Posted by SJackson to Sam Hill
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 9:08:17 AM CST · 48 of 114

People like you, SJackson, make me sick. But you have a lot of company around here.

I'm heartbroken.

I mean, when you can't call a faggot a faggot, what's this world coming to.

Or if you can't call Rudy a transvestite.

Or his supporters traitors

Folk who hump transvestites legs, and let dogs hump them.

Heck, I'd call you a horses behind, but I might have to go into rehab.

As a matter of curiosity, how many new Republican voters do you think this will bring in?

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Military's Toughest Home-Front Problem

Posted by SJackson
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 9:04:56 AM CST · 4 replies · 162+ views

Military.com ^ | 3-4-07
FORT HOOD, Texas - One of the first sights greeting visitors to Fort Hood is a day-care center's playground, brightly colored evidence of the Army's commitment to be family friendly. A few blocks away is a more poignant symbol: an office building recently converted into a first-of-its-kind support center for women and children whose husbands and fathers have died in Iraq and Afghanistan. From Fort Hood alone, the toll has passed 365. "It's our sanctuary," said Ursula Pirtle, whose daughter frequents a playroom at the center. Three-year-old Katie never met her father, Heath. He was killed in Iraq in 2003....

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John Edwards Hopes to Raise 'Coulter Cash' After Commentator's 'Faggot' Comment

Posted by SJackson to pissant
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 9:02:33 AM CST · 40 of 114

She's not a politician, she's a book seller. And the response from the Edwards camp illustrates her point. BTW, her point was more about political correctness, not Edwards. Made brilliantly. No one is happier about it than Hillary and Obama, though I'm sure they will feign outrage like everyone else. Emphasis on FEIGN.

No one is going to make either of those distinctions.

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John Edwards Hopes to Raise 'Coulter Cash' After Commentator's 'Faggot' Comment

Posted by SJackson to ShawTaylor
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 9:00:36 AM CST · 37 of 114

Since when did Ann Coulter start representing the Republican Party? Has she ever held an official position in the Republican Party?

No, thank goodness. The problem for candidates in this instance, ex McCain, is that they were sharing the podium with her.

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Posted by SJackson to ShawTaylor
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 8:58:07 AM CST · 31 of 114

No more stupid that the Johh Edwards bloggers launching a vicious attack against Catholics.

I think the attacks on Catholics was worse. I doubt it won Edwards any votes. I doubt this comment will win Republicans any votes.

So how come the lame brain media is not kicking up a fuss over that?

Could be because the media overwhelmingly supports Dem candidates. And the Edwards staffers story was reported.

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Posted by SJackson to Lion Den Dan
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 8:55:30 AM CST · 23 of 114

Coulter did not call the Breck Girl a faggot. I would do that but she did not.

Thanks for the Clintonian parsing. Doesn't fly.

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Posted by SJackson to Melinda
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 8:54:41 AM CST · 20 of 114

It's at times like this I cringe to think a fellow conservative would use this type of tactic to get attention. It's pretty demeaning for both sides, and beneath the standards of the party she supposedly represents.

Yes, but she represents Ann, not the Republican Party. That's why Republican candidates are distancing themselves.

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Posted by SJackson to MaestroLC
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 8:53:57 AM CST · 17 of 114

This proves the total selective outrage and disingenuisness by Dems and media. LOL. They use this as a fund raising tool! That should tell anyone with a brain what their real motivation is, and what they really think of the gay community the claim to represent.

It surprises you the left would take advantage of a comment like this?

The worst part is that Ann knew full well what the reaction to the comment would be. Republican candidates and CPAC would take a hit, a small one since this will be forgotten, and her stock as a radical would go up. One winner there.

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JFK Crewmembers Become U.S. Citizens

Posted by SJackson
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 8:42:50 AM CST · 2 replies · 150+ views

Military.com ^ | 3-4-07
BOSTON - Three hundred immigrants from 79 countries took the U.S. oath of citizenship Friday in an aircraft hangar during the USS John F. Kennedy's final call in the port of Boston, including seven of its crew members. The event was the highlight of the second day of the warship's return to the 35th president's home state for a five-day farewell visit. It goes out of service later this month. "This is just a great opportunity we had as the ship was decommissioning. Not everybody gets to do it like this," said Electrician's Mate Pamela Leach, who came to the...

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Posted by SJackson to SJackson
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 8:41:06 AM CST · 2 of 114

I'm sure the strategy has it's adherents, but calling Presidential candidates faggots is really stupid. From a political perspective. If you're selling books, it works.

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Posted by SJackson
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 8:39:38 AM CST · 113 replies · 1,358+ views

Fox News ^ | March 04, 2007
Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards John Edwards' campaign, reacting to derogatory comments by conservative commentator Ann Coulter — she called the former North Carolina senator and presidential hopeful a "faggot" — is trying to turn it into a rallying point for fundraising, asking supporters to donate $100,000 in "Coulter Cash." It was unclear from the statement on the Edwards campaign Web site what the money would exactly go to, but it did address the comments directly.

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The 'Palestine' Purimspiel-Israel-haters and anti-Semites to claim that they are being suppressed

Posted by SJackson to dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 8:33:58 AM CST · 2 of 8

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Palesinian Poll: demilitarization, Jewish Quarter, temporary borders, armed resistance

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The 'Palestine' Purimspiel-Israel-haters and anti-Semites to claim that they are being suppressed

Posted by SJackson
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 8:32:09 AM CST · 7 replies · 163+ views

Jerusalem Post ^ | 3-4-07 | JONATHAN TOBIN
It has become the fashion for Israel-haters and anti-Semites to claim that they are being suppressed, even as their voices grow louder. In case you missed it, last month college campuses in the United States, Canada and Britain hosted an "Israeli Apartheid Week," in which prominent scholars and artists all got together to agree about the State of Israel's beastliness. That such nonsense is presented at places like Hunter College in New York City, the University of Toronto and even at supposedly more illustrious venues such as Oxford and Cambridge is hardly shocking. But what is curious is the unprecedented...

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Palesinian Poll: demilitarization, Jewish Quarter, temporary borders, armed resistance

Posted by SJackson
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 8:24:16 AM CST · 2 replies · 19+ views

IMRA ^ | 3-4-07
DSP Poll: Palestinian Leaders oppose: demilitarized state 63.7% Israeli control over Jewish Quarter 84.9% state in temporary borders 86.6% Opinion Leaders' SurveyFinal Status Issues: Boarders, Refugees, Jerusalem, WaterPolitical System and DemocracySocial and Economic AttitudesExpectations and Priorities28 February 2007http://home.birzeit.edu/dsp/opinionp http://www.imra.org.il Birzeit University Development Studies ProgrammeDates of fieldwork: 12-18 February 2007Sample size: 520 Public Opinion Leaders (West Bank and Gaza Strip) For the purpose of this survey, the concept of an "opinion leader" was defined as follows: Palestinian individuals living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip who contribute to changing and altering the status of the Palestinian community on the...

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Honey, I'm Dead! (Do female suicide bombers get 72 virgins too?)

Posted by SJackson to dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 8:20:52 AM CST · 37 of 39

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Synagogues Used as Bases To Fire on Israel

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Disney's Piglet banned in Middle East!

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Extremist rabbis call for return of animal sacrifice

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Only an extremist would consider something like this. In modern times, we pick our chops from lamb trees.

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Extremist rabbis call for return of animal sacrifice

Posted by SJackson to Basheva
On News/Activism 03/04/2007 8:12:30 AM CST · 61 of 68

But,there's lots of stuff that happened in the Bible we don't do any more - like putting out someone's eye for another eye

That was never done, the punishment was compensation equivalent to the value of the eye, and is the basis of the modern tort system.

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Giuliani Speaks at CPAC (CSPAN) LIVE

Posted by SJackson to Delphinium
On News/Activism 03/02/2007 5:31:09 PM CST · 1,187 of 1,498

NRA and GOA are about 4,030,000 of 80,000,000 gunowners. In my view, the question isn't about Rudy in the general. 4 million care enough to fork over a few bucks. It's how to get some of the other 75 million plus to pay attention to the primary. And my suggestion was that it isn't over the top stuff.

If rudy wins, 75 million don't care, most of the 4 million have enough sense to realize that Hillary or Obama are worse, so it's no longer an issue.

Extend that to other issues. This is a primary battle.

And I neither think it's a matter of replacing "family values voters" with pro-homosexual, pro-choice voters

Like it or not for many voters the WOT is more important than abortion or gun rights or gay marriage. That's simply a fact.

I think you may have been on a discussion of Rudy's WOT qualifications, which are equalled if not exceeded by Gingrich-Hunter-McCain. But it attracts little attention. Rudy's perceived weakness' are so much fun, no one addresses his perceived strength.

I'm not a McCain person, but Gingrich and Hunter both have better WOT and defence qualifications. That should make Rudy's defects on social issues an afterthought.

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Giuliani Speaks at CPAC (CSPAN) LIVE

Posted by SJackson to dirtboy
On News/Activism 03/02/2007 5:16:43 PM CST · 1,177 of 1,498

Sorry, isn't should have been is. I'm typing too fast since I'm done in a little while for Shabbos.

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Giuliani Speaks at CPAC (CSPAN) LIVE

Posted by SJackson to dirtboy
On News/Activism 03/02/2007 5:15:44 PM CST · 1,176 of 1,498

That's the problem. He IS a gun grabber. By any definition.

Yes he is. If I accept the NRA and GOA membership as true believers, expand the membership of 4.3 million to 5 million, how do we convince the other 75,000,000 gunowners that it is an important issue, one that should impact their vote.

Heck, throw out half as Dems, how do we convince 37,500,000.

My suggestion is that it's not through demonization, the jackbooted thugs analogy, simply through facts, the "I grabbed 30,000 handguns from law abiding citizens" analogy.

FR seems to prefer the former, but I doubt it will convince many of the 75,000,000

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Giuliani Speaks at CPAC (CSPAN) LIVE

Posted by SJackson to metalurgist
On News/Activism 03/02/2007 5:06:26 PM CST · 1,160 of 1,498

Sign me up Mr Robinson. Here's hoping the Ghoulie-annies have to spit after they say my screen name by the time the primaries start.

Since the antiRudys were channeling Barbara Olson in her grave yesterday, disrespectfully, but who cares, that doesn't fit.

It's cute though, were it not for yesterdays thread.

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Giuliani Speaks at CPAC (CSPAN) LIVE

Posted by SJackson to Jim Robinson; Peach; Howlin; All
On News/Activism 03/02/2007 5:01:55 PM CST · 1,150 of 1,498

FR is a conservative site. We fight FOR the first and second amendments. We fight for traditional American conservative values. We fight for God, country, family, life and liberty!

Could I address a question to you about how the fight should be waged. As an anti-Rudy who has addressed and won’t support the attacks made, particularly graphically, against Rudy supporters.

Since you mention the 2nd amendment, let’s use that as an example, it’s less controversial here, and a clear Rudy loser. I should note there have been a couple threads on which there were quite rational conversations, I don’t have the links handy, but maybe someone (or me later) will post them because that’s a better case for a factual discussion.

Rudy has bragged about taking 70,000 “guns” off the streets of NY. At least 30,000 of those were from newly minted “Rudy criminals”, law abiding citizens with concealed carry permits, which were revoked, making them criminals unless they surrendered their handguns. My guess the lucky ones who had the option of taking them to their summer home in the Hamptons kept their permits.

I’m not a photoshop person, if I was, how should I display this graphically?

Option 1, a picture of Rudy speaking, bragging about confiscating 30,000 handguns from law abiding citizens. Perhaps with commentary. I can support that.

Option 2, a pic similar to Elian being kidnapped, Rudy, jack booted thug, dressed in swat gear, grabbing guns from a citizen’s home (I can support the gungrabber charge) while kicking little children to the ground, as an accomplice (Kerrick?) molests the lady of the house.

Some people would like #2, I see it’s equivalent here every day.

Gun ownership is an important issue in America.

It’s one I think worth voting on. Many people agree with me.

The GOA has 30,000 members, a significant number.

The NRA, I’m a life member, 4,000,000, hopefully growing. Always in the top 5 lobbying groups.

Gunowners in America, estimated at 80,000,000 plus.

Option 2 might appeal to the GOA and some of the NRA members, and I’ll kick the number to 5,000,000 to include other gun owning groups. And I’ll assume option 2 will appeal to all of them.

Of course they’re probably on our side already.

My question is, not that we have 5,000,000 potential voters who recognize Rudy isn’t a gungrabber, how do we approach the other 95,000,000.

I would suggest option 2 isn’t the way to do it.

Anecdotal only. I don’t have polls, and I’m not going to pull out quotations about honey, sugar, vinegar, etc.

But I think it’s a mistake.

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Posted by SJackson to Peach
On News/Activism 03/02/2007 4:39:05 PM CST · 1,111 of 1,498

It strikes our funny bones that grown men are so sensitive and needing to bring in the "big guy" because they just can't stand the thought that we support a Republican they don't like.

Grown as in age, or emotionally? I see lots of college freshmen here.

Now I'm posting pictures.

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Posted by SJackson to PhiKapMom
On News/Activism 03/02/2007 3:03:58 PM CST · 860 of 1,498

Exactly! Never understood someone being called a draft dodger when they received deferrments that were above board and legal.

After my 4 years of deferrment I enlisted, so I'm only half traitorous draft dodger.

I read on one of the less contensious threads where information could be provided that Rudy spent 2 years in Air Force ROTC, and was dropped because of vision problems.

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Posted by SJackson to wolf24
On News/Activism 03/02/2007 3:01:18 PM CST · 848 of 1,498

When you are a Hight Priest of Conservative Purety, sometimes you need to use terms like "queer" in order to make your point that much more powerful...

Sorry, clicked too quick.

I wanted to ask who the "conservatives" you run with are.

I've had CPAC on all PM, no one has talked about queers.

Haven't called any candidates traitors.

Haven't called any candidates abortionists.

Yet, I'm sure, but I don't remember any successful Republican (or Democrat) Presidential candidates using those terms either.

Do you think it's because they've no interest in making powerful, persuasive statements, or that perhaps calling political opponents abortionists, queers and traitors isn't powerful and persuasive.

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Posted by SJackson to wolf24
On News/Activism 03/02/2007 2:58:04 PM CST · 839 of 1,498

When you are a Hight Priest of Conservative Purety, sometimes you need to use terms like "queer" in order to make your point that much more powerful...

I'm not.

I've seen enought of "conservative" here to want nothing to do with it. Certainly not to be a High Priest.

I'm a Republican, cept when the Dems run pro-life, pro-gun candidates against pro-choice, gungrabbing Republicans, in which case I vote Dem

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Posted by SJackson to RabidBartender; MadIvan
On News/Activism 03/02/2007 2:38:31 PM CST · 787 of 1,498

The same could be said for the supporters of Mayor Giuliani that have posted vicious, shrill messages calling anyone who disagrees with their candidate names....Look at the last 3 pages of this thread - even if someone questions the Mayor's positions on gun control, abortion, or McCain-Feingold, they get shouted down and called names....One poster spits on those who think abortion is an important issue. Another one appears to hate those who put their religious faith above their political party and even gloats about it....I think the supporters of Mayor Giuliani have been far more hateful and angry than those who question his positions and level of conservativeness (with the exception of MadIvan, who does post thoughtfully and argues facts, not emotions).

MadIvan's OK

I can't agree with that.

There's plenty of individual name calling on both sides, typical of spats.

But there have been broad based characterizations of Rudy's supporters as promoting homosexuality, abortionists, traitors, et al. I haven't seen that from the other side.

And that's not true. Most simply consider the wot, leadership, and/or fiscal issues a priority.

Fortunately I haven't seen the anti-Rudy's nameing the anti-Guiliani true conservative candidate they expect to emerge and slay Rudy. I'd hate to see anyone in the race tarred by association.

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Posted by SJackson to PhiKapMom
On News/Activism 03/02/2007 2:26:52 PM CST · 743 of 1,498

I cannot believe they posted that about McCain. The draft dodging photo -- wouldn't affect me as I know a lot of people that got draft deferrments -- didn't know many college students that didn't use them and went on to grad school. That wasn't draft dodging no matter how many times they say it. There was a law that permitted deferrments -- draft dodgers went to Canada and elsewhere.

That's how I look at it, and Rudy stayed within the law.

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Posted by SJackson to Howlin
On News/Activism 03/02/2007 2:25:09 PM CST · 738 of 1,498

Thanks for the link, and that's one post. A place like Salon, they could have a field day.

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Posted by SJackson to Peach
On News/Activism 03/02/2007 2:22:09 PM CST · 727 of 1,498

You'll recall post of Jerome Corsi's were used. Not when they were made, when they'd be useful. Tony Snows were pulled, for good reason. When the Swift Boats are mentioned, there are often allusions to a right wing site. Edwards just had to fire two aids, and got some lousy press, over blog posts.

If I wanted to portray right wingers as homophobes or just general lunatics, there's plenty of fodder here.

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Posted by SJackson to TommyDale; CharlesWayneCT
On News/Activism 03/02/2007 2:17:34 PM CST · 712 of 1,498

Here: I'll spell it out to you. That is actually a Rudy supporter showing his affection to Rudy in the best way he knows how.

Some of your pictures you have a dog humping a Rudy supporters leg. I presume an accusation of bestiality.

In some it's a dog humping Rudy at a charity event. I presume an accusation of homosexuality for male Rudy supporters, slutdom for woman supporters. Or lesbianism if they mistaking him for a woman.

Let me complement you, your's is some of the finest, most incisive political commentary on the site.

Have you considered submitting it for publication.

Given the level support for Guiliani, I'm amazed at the number of gays and beastialists (I invented a new word) in the Republican party. I'm glad to see the big tent is working.

If I'm mistaken, I'd love to hear just what message potential voters are taking from your artwork.

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Posted by SJackson to PSYCHO-FREEP
On News/Activism 03/02/2007 2:11:27 PM CST · 680 of 1,498

I was reading a comment on Michelle Malkin's site, and one of them pointed out some of the comments about these Rudy threads here on FR...The Left, it appears, have been lurking here lately with great interest. They are not only overjoyed at how the so called "Champions" of "true conservatism", are attacking other conservatives personally with such vile and hatred. They are ecstatic that the general public is being given such a negative view of who and what conservatives are all about...The now have a new term for those self righteous/morally superior "pure conservatives". They are calling them the "American Taliban" or the "Taliban Conservatives"...If this is the image they are so proud to project to the millions of people who lurk here, then so be it. This illustrates some of the comments that some of these "real conservatives" have made in regards to executing women who have had abortions. (among several others)

See my post 637. Can't really argue with their assessment. It's wrong, but for better or worse groups are often stereotyped by small minorities of their membership.

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Posted by SJackson to PhiKapMom; Peach; Howlin
On News/Activism 03/02/2007 1:58:06 PM CST · 637 of 1,498

Something else to think about.

Giuliani Speaks at CPAC (CSPAN) LIVE
	Posted by areafiftyone On News/Activism 03/02/2007 10:40:17 AM CST · 614 replies · 5,916+ views

614 replies, probably only a hundred posters, and I presume it accounts for at least 614 view.

That leave over 5,300 views, probably some viewing the thread more than once, but I think fair to say thousands of people viewing how conservatives, true and treasonous, analyze Rudy's speach. Some of them probably independents or Dems open to a Rudy candidacy.

I'm sure we've won a lot of friends.

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Posted by SJackson to onyx
On News/Activism 03/02/2007 1:53:07 PM CST · 614 of 1,498

Thank you for your comments, Miss Marple. They mirror the sentiments of a whole lot of FReepers. I do not enjoy coming to FR in the morning like I used to. It's become hostile and repetitious. It's really past time for a call to civility.

Lots of pleasant threads on other topics. Just stay away from politics. Odd for a political forum, I admit.

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Posted by SJackson to PhiKapMom; Peach; Howlin
On News/Activism 03/02/2007 1:51:42 PM CST · 602 of 1,498

Forgot treason. There was a Caine Mutiny poster photoshop yesterday of McCain, in uniform, accusing him of being a traitor. McCain of all people. There's a draft dodging poster of Rudy there, and it will be effective since hardly anyone other than Rudy and I got draft deferrments in those days.

Only half joking though. I think the media would cover them. It might be effective. People might leave Rudy in droves. Personally I think they'd be covered as bunch of right wing lunatics. And since, fortunately I think, they don't promote a candidate, the only damage would be to push undecided to Rudy. Or perhaps to the Dems, not wanting to be aligned with right wing lunatics.

I'm sure the anti-Rudys would disagree. It would be an interesting test. If they don't disagree, then the strategy here should be rethought. Because it's not sapping support for Rudy, in fact it's moving people toward him out of resentment.

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Posted by SJackson to My2Cents
On News/Activism 03/02/2007 1:28:00 PM CST · 484 of 1,498

Landowners! They should only let in male landowners.

I agree. After they've passed a litmus test. Maybe check their DNA too. In case they're crossdressing.

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Posted by SJackson to areafiftyone; Howlin; Peach; All
On News/Activism 03/02/2007 1:27:12 PM CST · 480 of 1,498

Apologies for changing the subject.

Thanks areafiftyone, I would have missed the speach if you hadn't posted the thread.

I though it was a outstanding presentation. It's a long time till the primaries, but he's going to be tough to beat.

As a Gingrich/Hunter fan who will become a Rudybot if he wins the nominations, I'd like to see the anti-Rudy's, successful in slowing Rudy's momentum on FR, take a higher profile.

Future speachs should be picketed. A dozen protestors could do it effectively.

A couple protestors with signs of dead fetus'. A couple signs of Rudy in drag. Barbara Olson rolling over in her grave. An adultery thing, don't know what, but between the zipper and limp linguine comments, I know something can be put together. A gay marriage. A consumation poster if you want.

I think it will be effective. Take your message public, I'm sure you'll attract media attention. I'm sure it will be positive, a credit to the candidates you endorse. Someone other than Gingrich/Hunter please.

I know you will stop Rudy in his tracks. It's sure been effective here.

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Posted by SJackson to Pyro7480; JohnnyZ
On News/Activism 03/02/2007 12:44:30 PM CST · 313 of 1,498

JohnnyZ: The Log Cabinites have gone to CPAC too.

Pyro7480: there are a handful of "conservative" Muslim groups, such as a Muslim free enterprise organization.

They let gays in?

And Muslims?

Whats conservatism coming to. We wouldn't be going down this road if we'd kept women out.

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Mayor Giuliani Annouces Theodore [Ted] Olson as Chair of Justice Advisory Committee
	Posted by SJackson to TommyDale; justshutupandtakeit On News/Activism 03/02/2007 11:04:49 AM CST · 356 of 359 Your replies were as offensive, if not more so. It was certainly not a put down of Barbara, but of Ted. He is a sellout. It was a putdown of Ted in the name of Barbara, that's shes rolling in her grave because of Ted's actions. Which you continue to repeat. Speaking for myself, I don't beleive in sorcerers. I doubt anyone here believes you channel the dead. If you're convinced Barbara would be horrified by Ted's support of Rudy based on the issue of abortion, then post her negative comments him. It's my understanding they were acquainted, perhaps friends, for decades. Short of that, and her pro-life position falls far short of that, the constant whining is offensive. Makes the anti-Rudys look like a bunch of idiots too. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 351 | View Replies
Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
	Posted by SJackson to TAdams8591 On News/Activism 03/02/2007 10:38:20 AM CST · 2,020 of 2,093 Actually, that is not necessarily true. The best way to demonstrate it is by winning in the genral, which of course cannot happen unless one wins the nomination. Republicans don't always pick the nominee who can win, unfortunately. If he runs, I'll be voting for Gingrich in the primaries. Based on todays data, the Republican with the best chance of winning in the general, 20 months away so the data is worthless, is clearly Rucy. But if things look the way they do today in Feb, I'll still vote for Gingrich. Just one of the choices on makes. The primary process is important though. The majority of voters have no opinion at all about Romney. Maybe that's a plus in a way, but winning the primary requires he correct that. If he can't in the next 10 months, he won't be able to in the general. Primaries are a test of political skill. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1,988 | View Replies
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	Posted by SJackson to zbigreddogz On News/Activism 03/02/2007 10:32:09 AM CST · 2,016 of 2,093 Yes, and the D's will be stupid if they nominate her. Let's not follow them in their stupidity to nominate someone on our side with even HIGHER negatives. (Hillary's are 48% last time I saw, and as it was pointed out, Newt's are in the 60's.) I understand that arguement in favor of Guiliani, personally I won't default to him based on polls. I think Gingrich can address those issue if he runs. And who knows, maybe Romney can get to a point where more than a third of voters have an opinion, or Hunter to where they'll include him in the polls. The numbers being discussed above were from the Jan 30-31 Fox poll. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1,982 | View Replies
Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
	Posted by SJackson to TAdams8591 On News/Activism 03/02/2007 9:32:13 AM CST · 1,983 of 2,093 I think Mitt is the only canndidate with the appeal to beat either Hillary or Obama. The best way to demonstrate that is by winning the nomination. If he can beat Rudy, I'd agree. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1,968 | View Replies
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	Posted by SJackson to SJackson On News/Activism 03/02/2007 9:30:57 AM CST · 1,980 of 2,093 To my ping list, post 1969 was a mistake Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1,969 | View Replies
Experts Debate What Drives Islamic Terrorists [CPAC]
	Posted by SJackson to dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; .. On News/Activism 03/02/2007 9:26:10 AM CST · 2 of 12 If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me. High volume. Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel, WOT .................. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies
Experts Debate What Drives Islamic Terrorists [CPAC]
	Posted by SJackson On News/Activism 03/02/2007 9:25:34 AM CST · 11 replies · 190+ views CNSNews.com ^ | 3-2-06 | Monisha Bansal (CNSNews.com) - More than five years after 9/11, experts continue to debate what motivated the attacks on the United States and other violent actions by Islamic extremists against the West. Differing views were aired at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, D.C., on Thursday, when Hoover Institution fellow Dinesh D'Souza argued that policies promoted by the radical left had made al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden "strong enough and emboldened enough to carry out attacks." D'Souza said that liberal policies were seen as a "shameless and shocking assault on the values of people who live in very traditional societies,... Read | Comments
Israel's Test [Long]
	Posted by SJackson to dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; .. On News/Activism 03/02/2007 9:18:48 AM CST · 2 of 4 If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me. High volume. Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel, WOT .................. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies
If Iran Gets the Bomb
	Posted by SJackson to dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; .. On News/Activism 03/02/2007 9:18:48 AM CST · 2 of 19 If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me. High volume. Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel, WOT .................. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies
The Democrats - good for Israel in 2008
	Posted by SJackson to dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; .. On News/Activism 03/02/2007 9:18:47 AM CST · 11 of 19 If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me. High volume. Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel, WOT .................. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies
Real Threats, Real Candor--Dems’ script on the war on terror more than meets its match.
	Posted by SJackson to dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; .. On News/Activism 03/02/2007 9:18:47 AM CST · 3 of 6 If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me. High volume. Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel, WOT .................. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies
If Iran Gets the Bomb
	Posted by SJackson On News/Activism 03/02/2007 9:17:53 AM CST · 18 replies · 485+ views Jerusalem Post ^ | 3-2-07 | Caroline Glick With the Bush administration now happily basking in the glory of positive coverage in The New York Times and enjoying the warm embrace of the James Baker/Brent Scowcroft wing of the Republican Party, it is hard to imagine that it will reconsider its decision to abandon the Bush Doctrine. That doctrine, named after President George W. Bush and most forcefully enunciated by him, eschewed appeasement of terror-supporting, weapons of mass destruction-proliferating enemies of the free world. Today, what Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice refers to as a "diplomatic initiative" aimed at appeasing terror-supporting, and weapons of mass destruction-proliferating Iran, and... Read | Comments
Putin’s Middle East Visit--A war on the West?
	Posted by SJackson On News/Activism 03/02/2007 9:15:01 AM CST · 8 replies · 178+ views FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | March 2, 2007 | Ariel Cohen   Vladimir Putin’s February 11 visit to Saudi Arabia was the first ever for any Russian or Soviet leader. Putin also visited US allies Jordan and Qatar. Coming from Munich where Putin delivered his most bellicose anti-American speech, he further delineating a Russian Middle Eastern policy at odds with Washington in an interview with Al Jazeera.  Putin reiterated Russia's opposition to the Iraq war and disputed the justice of Saddam’s execution. He was also critical of US democracy promotion in the Middle East, quoting the empowerment of Hamas and Hezbollah as a result of parliamentary elections promoted by Washington. At the same... Read | Comments
Israel's Test [Long]
	Posted by SJackson On News/Activism 03/02/2007 9:13:04 AM CST · 3 replies · 109+ views FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | March 2, 2007 | Jamie Glazov,Rael Jean Isaac,Caroline Glick,,David Keyes,Kenneth Levin,,P. David Hornik What are the dire threats Israel now faces? Will it be able to equip itself to face them? To explore these questions with us today, Frontpage Symposium has assembled a distinguished panel. Our guests are:Rael Jean Isaac, the editor of Outpost, the newsletter of Americans for a Safe Israel. She is the author of two books about Israeli politics: Israel Divided: Ideological Politics in the Jewish State and Parties and Politics of Israel. Caroline Glick, the deputy managing editor of the Jerusalem Post and a senior columnist at the Jerusalem Post and at Makor Rishon Hebrew newspaper. She also serves as the... Read | Comments
Real Threats, Real Candor--Dems’ script on the war on terror more than meets its match.
	Posted by SJackson On News/Activism 03/02/2007 9:08:44 AM CST · 5 replies · 289+ views FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | March 2, 2007 | Kenneth R. Timmerman The Democrats’ script on national security, as it is being written for the 2008 elections, goes something like this. Before Bush, the world was a stable place. The Cold War was over. America was at peace. No nation on earth could rival America’s might. There was no terrorist threat on the horizon. Even North Korea and Iran were under wraps. But because of Bush’s obsession with Saddam Hussein, and his single-minded determination to finish the war his father started in 1991 and willingness to cherry-pick and falsify intelligence, we now face threats that no one could imagine just seven years... Read | Comments
The Democrats - good for Israel in 2008
	Posted by SJackson On News/Activism 03/02/2007 9:05:29 AM CST · 18 replies · 299+ views Jerusalem Post ^ | 3-2-07 | SHELDON SCHORER, COUNSEL TO DEMOCRATS ABROAD ISRAEL The 2008 election will give American voters in Israel an opportunity to rectify the harmful legacy of the two Bush administrations by electing a Democrat to the presidency. The Republican candidates pride themselves on their identification with President George W. Bush and his policies. Only a Democrat can bring about change and lead the United States and Israel out of the current quagmire and into a position of greater peace and security. The centerpiece of Bush's foreign policy, his war on terror, has been a disastrous failure. America has not lessened the threat of international terrorism, which has grown. American... Read | Comments
Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
	Posted by SJackson to dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; .. On News/Activism 03/02/2007 9:02:35 AM CST · 1,969 of 2,093 If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me. High volume. Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel, WOT .................. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1,901 | View Replies
'Renew animal sacrifices on Mount' says rabbi
	Posted by SJackson to dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; .. On News/Activism 03/02/2007 9:02:17 AM CST · 72 of 157 If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me. High volume. Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel, WOT .................. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies
How can we prevent Iran from attacking Israel with a nuclear bomb? (Hint: Appeasement - no answer)
	Posted by SJackson to dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; .. On News/Activism 03/02/2007 9:01:33 AM CST · 8 of 8 If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me. High volume. Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel, WOT .................. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies
Syria ups army infrastructure on border
	Posted by SJackson to dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; .. On News/Activism 03/02/2007 9:01:32 AM CST · 22 of 24 If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me. High volume. Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel, WOT .................. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies
'Renew animal sacrifices on Mount' says rabbi
	Posted by SJackson to ChicagoHebrew On News/Activism 03/02/2007 8:55:08 AM CST · 70 of 157 You're right the article is very vague. I don't think the Rabbi is talking about the paschal lamb, rather a rebuilding of the Temple. Can't the paschal lamb be sacrificed anywhere in Jerusalem? Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies
Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
	Posted by SJackson to TAdams8591 On News/Activism 03/02/2007 8:46:12 AM CST · 1,963 of 2,093 With 64% of the American public stating they wouldn't vote for him, that someone's NOT Newt. Perhaps, that's what elections are about. If he enters and Republican's don't vote for him because of his "negatives", he loses. Same for the general. Based on negatives, Hillary doesn't stand a chance, it's Obama in a landslide followed by Edwards. And Giuliani is the only Republican with a remote chance of beating Obama, particularly Obama/Edwards. Things will change. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1,952 | View Replies
Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
	Posted by SJackson to Dog Gone On News/Activism 03/01/2007 8:28:15 PM CST · 1,839 of 2,093 Let's say this forum is successful in knocking out the Republican frontrunner. I don't think we're powerful enough to do that, but let's just assume that we are....What's the plan after that?...McCain? And you're right, if Rudy doesn't get the nomination, it will be because someone stepped up and beat him. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1,832 | View Replies
Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
	Posted by SJackson to jmc813 On News/Activism 03/01/2007 7:39:47 PM CST · 1,827 of 2,093 Ted was Johathan Pollard's attorney for over a decade. I'm guessing probono, but I don't know....And that ISN'T a huge red flag?!? Thank you for making me aware of this. I don't think so. Some people might. Since it concerns you, why? Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1,825 | View Replies
Mayor Giuliani Annouces Theodore [Ted] Olson as Chair of Justice Advisory Committee
	Posted by SJackson to jonathanmo On News/Activism 03/01/2007 7:37:38 PM CST · 238 of 359 You're cute when you're retorting ! Hey, isn't your candidate Mr. Duncan Hunter... Please don't disclose who his candidate is. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 214 | View Replies
Mayor Giuliani Annouces Theodore [Ted] Olson as Chair of Justice Advisory Committee
	Posted by SJackson to TommyDale; Gop1040; youngjim; justshutupandtakeit; jimbo123; SJackson; Melas; You Dirty Rats; ... On News/Activism 03/01/2007 7:36:31 PM CST · 237 of 359 You say, right out of the box, comment 2, Hmmmmm. That a tad convenient. Gosh, you didn’t say an thing. And I attacked in post 30 To: TommyDale Barbara Olsen rolls in her grave. Why would you make that assumption. I understand Rudy and Ted had a longstanding relationship. 31 posted on 03/01/2007 2:48:44 PM CST by SJackson (No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms, Thomas Jefferson) Wow, that’s a mass attack if I’ve ever seen one Your response Those of you who took what I said and tried to created a mass attack are to be pitied. You obviously don't know that Barbara Olsen was pro-life and fought hard for that cause. She would not be happy that her widower Ted has become a supporter for Rudy Giuliani, likely for political gain. That is politics, I suppose. Mass attacker that I am, I shall admit that if the deceased was pro choice, I’d still this you were a royal *ss*ole for making your initial statement, that Barbara is rolling over in her grave. Your clarification that somehow you know that Barbara, deceased, would be disturbed by her husbands actions is worse. You and others parade up and down these threads as the moral arbiters of FR and the Republican party. But your worldview is distorted by the fact that post with your head up that hole I referred to earlier. I don’t know if you think you represent FR, hopefully not conservative Christians, buy you’d be an embarrassment to any cause you chose to take on. I await you next attack. Sorry for those other members of the conspiracy I couldn't identify from the To: line. We're a big group, we'll have to get together one day. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 210 | View Replies
The GOP - the only viable choice
	Posted by SJackson On News/Activism 03/01/2007 7:21:02 PM CST · 10 of 14 Sorry for not formatting the picture. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies
The GOP - the only viable choice
	Posted by SJackson to dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; .. On News/Activism 03/01/2007 7:19:24 PM CST · 8 of 14 If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me. High Volume. Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel. or WOT [War on Terror] ---------------------------- Kory Bardash runs Republicans Abroad in Israel. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies
Giuliani-Appointed Judges Tend to Lean to the Left (50 Dems, 6 Republicans)
	Posted by SJackson to Labyrinthos On News/Activism 03/01/2007 6:09:58 PM CST · 138 of 145 He doesn't ask us to look to the 100 judges that he appointed as Mayor of NYC as proof that he will appoint conservative judges as president; rather, he simply mentions that fact that he appointed 100 judges to emphasize the point that he takes the appointment of judges seriously. I think it's meant to support his contension that he'd appoint conservative judges. If you're saying it's just to prove he can appoint a judge, OK. That he takes the appointments seriously, that brings us right back to what kind of judges he appointed. Which I suspect on a municipal level will be difficult to assess. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 128 | View Replies
Let's not tolerate judicial activism
	Posted by SJackson On News/Activism 03/01/2007 5:51:52 PM CST · 5 replies · 181+ views Capital Times ^ | 3-1-07 | Daniel Kelly Are we to be ruled by law, or by judges? The Wisconsin Supreme Court's disturbing movement toward judicial activism gives us the court's answer: It is to be judges. Judicial activism reinforces a growing public consensus that the court is not a neutral dispenser of justice, but is instead a powerful institution committed to advancing its own insular, political agenda. If the rule of judges makes us uncomfortable (and it should), we must make sure the next Supreme Court justice understands the limited role of the judiciary. Concern for the court's membership is not just for academics anymore. We all... Read | Comments
Giuliani-Appointed Judges Tend to Lean to the Left (50 Dems, 6 Republicans)
	Posted by SJackson to sitetest On News/Activism 03/01/2007 4:23:50 PM CST · 125 of 145 It's a tough issue to analyze. If he apointed 56 Dems and 2/3 turned out to take a conservative position on crime, that's fine in my opinion. But I don't know that. From my perspective, Rudy's position on gun ownership is an absolute loser. That's one issue that was probably addressed in the courts at this level. I'd be curious about those cases. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 123 | View Replies
Giuliani’s Liberal Judge Problem
	Posted by SJackson to ecurbh On News/Activism 03/01/2007 4:20:34 PM CST · 29 of 76 This article is quite misleading. Anyone with even a slight understanding of NYC politics and NYC courts understands that the legal community in NYC is overwhelmingly liberal.... See post 25. Rudy himself cited his NY experience as supporting his contention that's he'll appoint conservative judges. So it's a legitimate inquiry. IMO the only answer is to point to the conservative, even if only on crime, judges he appointed. Apologetics about the appointment system or political makeup of the legal community are irrelevant. Rudy pointed to his 100 judicial apointments as evidence of his judicial conservatism. Now it's "Where's the Beef" time. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies
Giuliani’s Liberal Judge Problem
	Posted by SJackson to madprof98 On News/Activism 03/01/2007 4:15:18 PM CST · 25 of 76 Since on the other thread some question the relevance of municpal apointments, I'm posting Rudy's comment on Hannity a couple weeks ago. Giuliani on Hannity: VIDEO AND TRANSCRIPT So what I do say to conservatives because then you want to look at well okay what can we look to that is similar to the way you think. I think the appointment of judges that I would make would be very similar to if not exactly the same as the last two judges that were appointed. Chief Justice Roberts is somebody I work with, somebody I admire. Justice Alito, someone I knew when he was US attorney, also admire. If I had been president over the last four years, I can't think of any-- that I'd do anything different with that. I guess the key is and I appointed over 100 judges when I was the mayor so it's something I take very, very seriously. I would appoint judges that interpreted the constitution rather than invented it. Rudy contends he'll apoint conservative judges. Gives his reasons, those he admires, GWB's apointments which he supports, he'll take it seriously, but also asks us to look to the 100 judges he appointed as mayor. Rudy put the apointments in play, the same way John "Reporting for Duty" Kerry brought his military record to the center of the campaign.

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Vichy-era law still forces Jews to pay extra for property
	Posted by SJackson to montag813 On News/Activism 03/01/2007 4:11:20 PM CST · 20 of 21 That's true, though those are the author's words, not the regulation which apparently asks if you're a Jew or married to a Jew. If it dates to Vichy, I'd expect they ask about parents and grandparents as well. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies
Giuliani-Appointed Judges Tend to Lean to the Left (50 Dems, 6 Republicans)
	Posted by SJackson to Labyrinthos On News/Activism 03/01/2007 4:08:47 PM CST · 121 of 145 You are being disingenuous. The members of the Mayor's Advisory Committee are not selected by the Mayor... Not only is it not disingenuous, it directly addressed the point. Giuliani on Hannity: VIDEO AND TRANSCRIPT So what I do say to conservatives because then you want to look at well okay what can we look to that is similar to the way you think. I think the appointment of judges that I would make would be very similar to if not exactly the same as the last two judges that were appointed. Chief Justice Roberts is somebody I work with, somebody I admire. Justice Alito, someone I knew when he was US attorney, also admire. If I had been president over the last four years, I can't think of any-- that I'd do anything different with that. I guess the key is and I appointed over 100 judges when I was the mayor so it's something I take very, very seriously. I would appoint judges that interpreted the constitution rather than invented it. Rudy contends he'll apoint conservative judges. Gives his reasons, those he admires, GWB's apointments which he supports, he'll take it seriously, but also asks us to look to the 100 judges he appointed as mayor. That's what's happening. The article in the thread only adds up to 56, not 100, so something is off there. Could be 20 conservative, in a law and order sense, Dems there. But it's a perfectly reasonable question to raise. And since Rudy asked us to look to his record, the nature of the pool isn't an issue. However it was chosen, clearly Rudy feels he made conservative choices from it. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 119 | View Replies
Giuliani-Appointed Judges Tend to Lean to the Left (50 Dems, 6 Republicans)
	Posted by SJackson to pogo101 On News/Activism 03/01/2007 3:57:34 PM CST · 120 of 145 It's my understanding he appoints judges from a pool chosen by the advisory committee. They choose the pool, he picks the judges. It's my understanding he appoints some members, another poster stated 9 or 19, it could be 8 or could be all, for two year terms. They're not two different scenarios, they're two different actions. On the one hand I don't consider the political party of municipal apointments particularly important if they're tough on crime. But Rudy brought the topic up, so it's relevant. Hopefully someone will post his nominations to the commission. 8 years as mayor, 2 year terms, even if he gets 9 slots that's several dozen apointments. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 118 | View Replies
Obama to offer pro-Israel views at Chicago gathering
	Posted by SJackson On News/Activism 03/01/2007 3:52:05 PM CST · 14 of 22 Trinity United Church of Christ About Us We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community. Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts: Commitment to God Commitment to the Black Community Commitment to the Black Family Dedication to the Pursuit of Education Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence Adherence to the Black Work Ethic Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness" Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System. The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision: A congregation committed to ADORATION. A congregation preaching SALVATION. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA. A congregation committed to LIBERATION. A congregation committed to RESTORATION. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY. --------------------------   War on Iraq IQ Test REV. JEREMIAH WRIGHT / Trinity Pastor's Page 23feb03 Take the War on Iraq IQ Test Do you know enough to justify going to war with Iraq? 1. Q: What percentage of the world's population does the U.S. have? A: 6% [correction - 4.8% of world's population - 6.2 billion vs. 280 million] 2. Q: What percentage of the world's wealth does the U.S. have? A: 50% [correction - 22% of global GDP] 3. Q: Which country has the largest oil reserves? A: Saudi Arabia 4. Q: Which country has the second largest oil reserves? A: Iraq 5. Q: How much is spent on military budgets a year worldwide? A: $900+ billion 6. Q: How much of this is spent by the U.S.? A: 50% [explanation - military expenditures for FY2003 may be $460-470 billion including $378.5 billion for the Pentagon, $15.4 billion for nuclear weapons programs, $3.8 billion for foreign military assistance, $1.4 billion for military-related activities of other agencies, $32 billion for military retirement benefits and health care for current employees, $30 billion for the CIA, plus funding for the Homeland Security Department] 7. Q: What percent of US military spending would ensure the essentials of life to everyone in the world, according the UN? A: 10% (that's about $40 billion, the amount of funding initially requested to fund our retaliatory attack on Afghanistan) 8. Q: How many people have died in wars since World War II? A: 86 million 9. Q: How long has Iraq had chemical and biological weapons? A: Since the early 1980's. 10. Q: Did Iraq develop these chemical & biological weapons on their own? A: No, the materials and technology were supplied by the US government, along with Britain and private corporations. 11. Q: Did the US government condemn the Iraqi use of gas warfare against Iran? A: No 12. Q: How many people did Saddam Hussein kill using gas in the Kurdish town of Halabja in 1988? A: 5,000 13. Q: How many western countries condemned this action at the time? A: 0 14. Q: How many gallons of agent Orange did America use in Vietnam? A: 17 million. 15. Q: Are there any proven links between Iraq and September 11th terrorist attack? A: No 16. Q: What is the estimated number of civilian casualties in the Gulf War? A: 35,000 17. Q: How many casualties did the Iraqi military inflict on the western forces during the Gulf War ? A: 0 18. Q: How many retreating Iraqi soldiers were buried alive by U. S. tanks with ploughs mounted on the front? A: 6,000 19. Q: How many tons of depleted uranium were left in Iraq and Kuwait after the Gulf War? A: 40 tons 20. Q: What according to the UN was the increase in cancer rates in Iraq between 1991 and 1994? A: 700% 21. Q: How much of Iraq's military capacity did America claim it had destroyed in 1991? A: 80% 22. Q: Is there any proof that Iraq plans to use its weapons for anything other than deterrence and self-defense? A: No 23. Q: Does Iraq present more of a threat to world peace now than 10 years ago? A: No 24. Q: How many civilian deaths has the Pentagon predicted in the event of an attack on Iraq in 2003? A: 10,000 25. Q: What percentage of these will be children? A: Over 50% 26. Q: How many years has the U.S. engaged in air strikes on Iraq? A: 11 years 27. Q: Were the U.S and the UK at war with Iraq between December 1998 and September 1999? A: No 28. Q: How many pounds of explosives were dropped on Iraq between December 1998 and September 1999? A: 20 million 29. Q: How many years ago was UN Resolution 661 introduced, imposing strict sanctions on Iraq's imports and exports? A: 12 years 30. Q: What was the child death rate in Iraq in 1989 (per 1,000 births)? A: 38 31. Q: What was the estimated child death rate in Iraq in 1999 (per 1,000 births)? A: 131 (that's an increase of 345%) 32. Q: How many Iraqis are estimated to have died by October 1999 as a result of UN sanctions? A: 1.5 million 33. Q: How many Iraqi children are estimated to have died due to sanctions since 1997? A: 750,000 34. Q: Did Saddam order the inspectors out of Iraq? A: No 35. Q: How many inspections were there in November and December 1998? A:300 36. Q: How many of these inspections had problems? A:5 37. Q: Were the weapons inspectors allowed entry to the Ba'ath Party HQ? A: Yes 38. Q: Who said that by December 1998, Iraq had in fact, been disarmed to a level unprecedented in modern history. A: Scott Ritter, UNSCOM chief. 39. Q: In 1998 how much of Iraq's post 1991 capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction did the UN weapons inspectors claim to have discovered and dismantled? A: 90% 40. Q: Is Iraq willing to allow the weapons inspectors back in? A: Yes 41. Q: How many UN resolutions did Israel violate by 1992? A: Over 65 42. Q: How many UN resolutions on Israel did America veto between 1972 and 1990? A: 30+ 43. Q: How much does the U.S. fund Israel a year? A:$5 billion 44. Q: How many countries are known to have nuclear weapons? A: 8 45. Q: How many nuclear warheads has Iraq got? A: 0 46. Q: How many nuclear warheads has US got? A: over 10,000 47. Q: Which is the only country to use nuclear weapons? A: the US 48. Q: How many nuclear warheads does Israel have? A: Over 400 49. Q: Has Israel every allowed UN weapon inspections? A: No 50. Q: What percentage of the Palestinian territories are controlled by Israeli settlements? A: 42% 51. Q: Is Israel illegally occupying Palestinian land? A: Yes 52. Q: Which country do you think poses the greatest threat to global peace: Iraq or the U.S.? A: ???? 53. Q: Who said, "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter"? A: Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr Members of Trinity are asked to think about these things and be prayerful as we sift through the "hype" being poured on by the George Bush-controlled media. Rev Jeremiah A Wright, Jr. War on Iraq IQ Test - written by: Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, placed the following 'War on Iraq IQ Test' on the Trinity "Pastor's Page" for Sunday, Feb. 23.

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Obama to offer pro-Israel views at Chicago gathering
	Posted by SJackson to West Coast Conservative On News/Activism 03/01/2007 3:51:06 PM CST · 13 of 22 If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me. High volume. Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel, WOT .................. There have been a couple threads about the close relationship between Obama and Rev. Jeremiah Wright, his pastor at the Trinity United Church of Christ I'll list a couple questions from Rev. Wright's Take the War on Iraq IQ Test which pertain to Israel. The entire IQ Test, which has been pulled from the Church site, as well as their mission statement in the next post. 47. 41. Q: How many UN resolutions did Israel violate by 1992? A: Over 65 42. Q: How many UN resolutions on Israel did America veto between 1972 and 1990? A: 30+ 43. Q: How much does the U.S. fund Israel a year? A:$5 billion 48. Q: How many nuclear warheads does Israel have? A: Over 400 49. Q: Has Israel every allowed UN weapon inspections? A: No 50. Q: What percentage of the Palestinian territories are controlled by Israeli settlements? A: 42% 51. Q: Is Israel illegally occupying Palestinian land? A: Yes 52. Q: Which country do you think poses the greatest threat to global peace: Iraq or the U.S.? A: ???? Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies
Egyptian Researcher Muhammad Al-Buheiri: Jews Still Use Christian Blood to Bake Passover Matzos
	Posted by SJackson to dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; .. On News/Activism 03/01/2007 3:41:36 PM CST · 22 of 52 If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me. High volume. Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel, WOT .................. Well, you can't expect Jews to use Muslim blood. This year, I'm trying Hindu blood in my Purim hamentashen, then I'll be able to decide for Passover. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies
Obama to offer pro-Israel views at Chicago gathering
	Posted by SJackson to TedRsvlt On News/Activism 03/01/2007 3:38:16 PM CST · 9 of 22 At This Point, I'd Fall Over If I Saw Any Politician Not Owned By AIPAC.... Almost as bad as AARP, a little worse than the NRA. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies
Mayor Giuliani Annouces Theodore [Ted] Olson as Chair of Justice Advisory Committee
	Posted by SJackson to TitansAFC On News/Activism 03/01/2007 3:20:53 PM CST · 74 of 359 ---"Olson had also gained notability by acting as attorney for convicted spy Jonathan Pollard while he was in private practice. Olson had appealed to United States Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit claiming that during Pollard's trial, the life sentence he received was in violation of the plea bargain agreement, which had specifically taken life off the table. Olson also argued that in violation of said plea bargain, that was grounds for a mistrial."---Nobody's record is above researching and/or criticizing. Even those who are generally Conservative but have picked liberal judges for the bench before (which Ted has been a part of). You're right. Personally I'd like to see Pollard rot, but I've read a lot of Olson's work, and he's right on Pollard. If not a mistrial, clearly a re-sentencing. I admire his dedication to the law in a highly controversial case. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 59 | View Replies
Giuliani-Appointed Judges Tend to Lean to the Left (50 Dems, 6 Republicans)
	Posted by SJackson to sitetest On News/Activism 03/01/2007 3:16:10 PM CST · 115 of 145 But it's Mr. Giuliani who has proudly pointed to his record of judicial appointments, and from my perspective, it seems that he was either quite happy with what he got (ugh!) or he didn't want to fight to get folks he really wanted. You're right. I admit I might not be overly concerned about municipal judgeship apointments. If he appointed competent jurists, particulary tough on crime, I don't think party matters much at that level. But as you point out, he brought it up so he has the obligation to demonstrate the relevancy. Same standard a Kerry and his "reporting for duty" stunt. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 112 | View Replies
Mayor Giuliani Annouces Theodore [Ted] Olson as Chair of Justice Advisory Committee
	Posted by SJackson to JerseyJohn61 On News/Activism 03/01/2007 3:09:19 PM CST · 58 of 359 I can assure you SJ, that if we have the same results in '08 that we had back last November, your tirades will hit an all time crescendo and ALL OUR miseries will be great. ....JJ61 I hope it doesn't come to it, but it will be interesting to see the conversation if Rudy wins the nomination. Still bash the candidate in favor of Hillary or Obama? Should we get a President Hillary thats easy to predict. Bunch of whining about the RINO voters who wouldn't elect a nominee the "true conservatives" could support. They had to stay home you know. And that third party guy, 70,000 votes. From a cold start. Once the party builds momentum they'll be a force to be reckoned with. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies
Giuliani-Appointed Judges Tend to Lean to the Left (50 Dems, 6 Republicans)
	Posted by SJackson to sitetest On News/Activism 03/01/2007 3:01:13 PM CST · 109 of 145 Essentially this is a poliltical issue. As I noted before it would be interesting to see the makeup of the commission and candidate pool. Obviously he could appoint all Rs to the comission and change the makeup, but I'm sure it would have entailed a political battle. Then again, local judiciary might not have been a battle he chose to fight. The apointments to the comission would be interesting to know. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 107 | View Replies
Mayor Giuliani Annouces Theodore [Ted] Olson as Chair of Justice Advisory Committee
	Posted by SJackson to JerseyJohn61 On News/Activism 03/01/2007 2:54:26 PM CST · 39 of 359 FOLKS PLEASE, let us all remain civil with each other regardless of who is nominated by us GOPers. You have to understand when discussing the candidacy of a liberal, crossdressing, homosexual-advocate, limplinguinied, likudnik, socialist, adulterous, traitorous, draft dodging, felon associating RINO (if I left something out, help please), different standards of civility apply. Different standards of honesty too. Thanks for the effort. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies
Mayor Giuliani Annouces Theodore [Ted] Olson as Chair of Justice Advisory Committee
	Posted by SJackson to TommyDale On News/Activism 03/01/2007 2:48:44 PM CST · 31 of 359 Barbara Olsen rolls in her grave. Why would you make that assumption. I understand Rudy and Ted had a longstanding relationship. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies
Giuliani-Appointed Judges Tend to Lean to the Left (50 Dems, 6 Republicans)
	Posted by SJackson to pogo101 On News/Activism 03/01/2007 2:42:18 PM CST · 104 of 145 Actually, as of 2002-present, the mayor only appoints a minority of the advisory committee (9 of 19). Do you have information indicating that, during Giuliani's day, the mayor appointed all (or even most) of the committee? No, but I understand they serve 2 year terms and he was mayor for 8, so he had some input, even if 9 of 19. I suppose the test would be the composition of the approved pool, and how Rudy made his apointments to the panel, but it's not worth the time to me to research it. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 101 | View Replies
Giuliani-Appointed Judges Tend to Lean to the Left (50 Dems, 6 Republicans)
	Posted by SJackson to andy58-in-nh On News/Activism 03/01/2007 2:23:56 PM CST · 97 of 145 But the mayor appoints the advisory committee. I appreciate the fact that these are low level positions that aren't making precedent setting decisions. And a Republican jurist in NYC may not look like one from SC. Still, 50 Dems of 56 does say something about Rudy's judicial leanings. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 95 | View Replies
Giuliani-Appointed Judges Tend to Lean to the Left (50 Dems, 6 Republicans)
	Posted by SJackson to HamiltonJay On News/Activism 03/01/2007 2:15:34 PM CST · 94 of 145 Rudy took a bastian of liberal corruption, decadence and decay and cleaned it up.... Is everyone here < 20 years old, or just completely ignorant? Do you remember what NYC looked like before RUDY? How you could not go to times square in the middle of the day without being accosted? etc etc etc? Do you consider the United States a a bastian of liberal corruption, decadence and decay? The result I presume of a 6 year Republican President and a 12 year majority run in Congress. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies
Giuliani-Appointed Judges Tend to Lean to the Left (50 Dems, 6 Republicans)
	Posted by SJackson to andy58-in-nh On News/Activism 03/01/2007 2:04:02 PM CST · 91 of 145 I wish that some of you given to bashing Mr. Guiliani would put his mayoral service in context. He was mayor of New York, not of Dallas. There are no elected Republicans in NYC, and the population of Manhattan, the Bronx, Brooklyn, and Queens is almost exclusively composed of Democrats. Had he tried to nominate even a majority of Republicans for judgeships in New York, he would have been shot down repeatedly, leaving an already strained judicial system in crisis. Correct me if I'm mistaken but wasn't he the elected REPUBLICAN mayor of New York. So there was at least one Republican official elected in NYC. If it's an almost exclusively come to elect a Republican mayor? How did they elect the current Republican mayor? If Republican candidates are being elected it's reasonable to conclude there's a Republican (no, not FR true conservative Republican) majority. And yet he couldn't find any qualified Republican judges. I don't believe it. I think he appointed judges based on their judicial philsophy or political value. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies

 

Draft questions cloud Giuliani’s chances

Posted by SJackson to editor-surveyor
On News/Activism 03/01/2007 12:45:18 PM CST · 149 of 170

This typifies my general objection to Rudy. His point of view is in opposition to American culture, ideals, and strength in just about every area I can think of. He is a cultural liberal, and that is the worst kind.

As a general objection, I'd agree to some extent. But his draft record doesn't support that since it encompases a large number of Americans of various political and cultural persuasions.

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He's In! (McCain officially declares run)

Posted by SJackson to Bommer
On News/Activism 03/01/2007 12:42:33 PM CST · 197 of 220

For being naieve enough to believe the SCOTUS would do its job? No. I chalk that up to extreme stupidity and thats not a crime. When you willingly introduce a bill that stiffles freedom of speech when Congress has zero right to do so, well what do you call it?

No, for being the one person, as President, who met your standard of impliments a law to stiffle free speech . GWB is a traitor by your standard. If McCain is to be a traitor for introducing and voting for the bill, consistancy requires that a majority of the then Republican House and Senate members are traitors as well.

Like the Rudy is a traitor for getting a draft deferment. He's not, buy if you take that position Dick Cheney is a traitor, as is Newt Gingrich, perhaps even Rush Limbaugh, though a physical ailment is a different thing.

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He's In! (McCain officially declares run)

Posted by SJackson to Bommer
On News/Activism 03/01/2007 12:26:21 PM CST · 194 of 220

Anyone serves to defend the Constitution, then swares to protect the Constitution, and then impliments a law to stiffle free speech is a traitor to all he swore to uphold and protect. All done to protect his political asperations! That is a traitor! John McCain, Traitor

So George Bush is a traitor.

Should we commence impeachment?

But no, we can't, a majority of both branches of Congress are traitors too.

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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.

Posted by SJackson to dmw; Al Simmons
On News/Activism 03/01/2007 11:23:38 AM CST · 1,722 of 2,093

Al, thanks for an illuminating thread.

I think the third definition is the point that the poster says he was trying to make.

You're probably right, though when using an inflamatory term, it's a good idea to make that clear. Posters using it, like felon and the sexual allusions, should not only be careful, but willing to defend their position.

Note the post (below) on a McCain thread

I've no doubt the poster wasn't really suggesting McCain is a traitor, but it offends me. And in my view the problem isn't mine, it's the anti-McCains in this case, the anti-Rudys in others.

Words have meanings, and while #3 could fit, it's reasonable for a reader to default to #1 or #2, a traitor to America.

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He's In! (McCain officially declares run)

Posted by SJackson to Bommer
On News/Activism 03/01/2007 11:23:32 AM CST · 189 of 220

Are you really suggesting John McCain is a traitor?

I'd love to hear your reasoning.

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Draft questions cloud Giuliani’s chances

Posted by SJackson to dirtboy
On News/Activism 03/01/2007 10:24:51 AM CST · 82 of 170

He would have gone. Ignore the extraordinary effort to get a deferment...That's right up there with his pledge to appoint strict constructionist judges.

Well if you're saying he would have fled to Canada you really need to support that. I knew a couple people who had similar derferments, LEOs, though they didn't last forever. He went 1-A for a year, with a high draft number, and that's about the end of it in my mind. If you're going to demonize everyone who got a deferment of some kind or didn't volunteer, it's a long list. And a nonsensical point, as long as they acted within the law.

His opposition to the war is a separate matter, but I doubt it's going to cost him votes.

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Draft questions cloud Giuliani’s chances

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On News/Activism 03/01/2007 9:58:21 AM CST · 62 of 170

The companion article. Personally I don't think there's anything here. Opposing the Vietnam War isn't going to cost him many votes.

http://www.examiner.com/a-591690~Giuliani_says_he_would_have_gone_to_Vietnam.html

Giuliani says he would have gone to Vietnam

13 hrs ago		Giuliani says he would have gone to Vietnam
13 hrs ago		Draft questions cloud Giuliani’s chances
2 days ago		Gore back in the spotlight
2 days ago		Officials: Election headquarters have already outgrown Catonsville space
3 days ago		Va. Republicans face tough fights in fall elections
6 days ago		Bill cuts off campaign cash from LLCs
8 days ago		Obama changes tune toward opposition
10 days ago		Some mull idea of Sen. Bill Clinton
13 days ago		Kaine set to endorse Obama
13 days ago		Delegation nixes elections board growth

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Rudolph Giuliani in 1981, as an associate attorney general.

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Current rank: # 84 of 16,259 articles WASHINGTON - Although Rudy Giuliani opposed the Vietnam War and took steps to avoid the draft in the late 1960s, he spent several years in the Reserve Officers’ Training Corps earlier that decade.

Giuliani joined the Air Force ROTC when he enrolled in Manhattan College in the Bronx in 1961, the year President Kennedy sent 1,300 advisers to South Vietnam. Giuliani left the program in 1963, just as American involvement in Vietnam was starting to escalate.

“I got washed out of flight training because when I was young, I punctured two eardrums,” Giuliani told New York Magazine in 1987. “It caused a minor hearing problem. I was very disappointed because I wanted to fly.”

Giuliani graduated from Manhattan College in 1965 and spent the next three years at New York University Law School. Upon graduation in 1968, he became a law clerk for federal judge Lloyd MacMahon of the Southern District of New York.

The 24-year-old clerk applied for an occupational deferment but was turned down by the draft board. Giuliani appealed the decision, which was overturned with the help of a letter of recommendation from MacMahon.

But the deferment expired in 1970, and Giuliani found himself again facing the prospect of being drafted. It is not clear whether his hearing problem would have persisted from seven years earlier.

“I had student deferments during school, and then when I entered the draft lottery, I pulled number 300, 306, something like that,” he told New York.

The number was actually 308. Giuliani said he would have gone to Vietnam if he had pulled a lower number.

“Oh sure, if I had to, even though I disagreed with it,” he told the magazine. “I would have gone because it was my duty to go.”

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Vichy-era law still forces Jews to pay extra for property

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On News/Activism 03/01/2007 9:42:12 AM CST · 8 of 21

And this has only now come to anyone's attention? I have to believe that even if this it is on the books it isn't really enforced.

There are properties in America which have restrictions against blacks or Jews, which are unenforcable but still there. But the Jerusalem Post notes a rather significant fee to evade the restriction. I wish they'd explained what that was about.

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Rip Van Winkle syndrome--Western leaders wake to discover their societies have changed

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Vichy-era law still forces Jews to pay extra for property

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Jerusalem Post ^ | 3-1-07
Jews in Nice who want to buy an apartment have to pay an added fee of €900-€7,000 to skirt an outdated Vichy government law still on the books which prohibits them from owning apartments in that city, The Jerusalem Post has learned. Even after the recent death of Vichy collaborator Maurice Papon, who was one of the forerunners in stripping French Jews of their rights and assets, there is a lingering and discriminatory presence hovering over the Jews of France. The proprietary edict from the Vichy government stating that Jews are not allowed to own, or have joint ownership of,...

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Rip Van Winkle syndrome--Western leaders wake to discover their societies have changed

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Jerusalem Poat ^ | February 28, 2007 | ELWOOD MCQUAID
Western leaders are in a deep slumber and may wake up to discover their societies have changed beyond recognition Remember the story about Rip Van Winkle, the likable fellow of Dutch descent who slipped away from a nagging wife and bedded down for a nap under a shady tree in the Catskills? After 20 years in the arms of Morpheus, old Rip awoke to find himself in a different world - one he was completely out of touch with. I thought about the Catskill snoozer while reading a story in The Washington Times recently. It concerned the US State Department's...

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Six million Christian children to pray for Israel on Purim

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Oldest kibbutz breaks with past

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3 Iraqi children to be operated on in Israel

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The Cost of Defeat in Iraq and the Cost of Victory in Iraq [Newt Gingrich]

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America's Islamist Threat--The Muslim Brotherhood on our shores.

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Palestine Awareness Week at SLU--Propaganda and pseudo-scholarship in the academy.

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A White House State of Mind--Newt in New York

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On News/Activism 03/01/2007 9:11:25 AM CST · 5 of 10

He's been sounding like a candidate for months. Now if he would only announce it.

For better or worse, a late entry is part of his strategy.

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A White House State of Mind--Newt in New York

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America's Islamist Threat--The Muslim Brotherhood on our shores.

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Frontpagemagazine ^ | 3-1-07 | Joe Kaufman
  For decades, adherents of the Muslim Brotherhood (al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun) have threatened the existence of their respective governments, considering them to be secular, illegitimate and traitorous.  As more and more of this brand of fundamentalist – and many times fanatic – Islam reaches our shores, will the same threat for us become reality?State-run regimes have, time and time again, taken extreme measures against the Iquan.  These measures include imprisonment, expulsion, execution, and in the case of the Syrian Hama massacre of 1982, mass murder.  Life at home for Brothers has never been that brotherly.  For this reason, many chose to...

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Palestine Awareness Week at SLU--Propaganda and pseudo-scholarship in the academy.

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On News/Activism 03/01/2007 9:06:33 AM CST · 4 replies · 65+ views

FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | March 1, 2007 | Donald Meissner
Saint Louis University was the site for a weeklong series of presentations entitled “Palestine Awareness Week.” The student group “SLU Solidarity with Palestine” sponsored the event. The term “Solidarity” signifies the SLU group’s affiliation with the “International Solidarity Movement” which disrupts and interferes with the security operations of Israeli military and police units.  The week’s events were presented in collaboration with the Muslim Student Group and the off-campus “Center for Theology and Social Analysis.”  I endured three of the five presentations: a film by John Pilger, a lecture by Norman Finkelstein, and a seminar taught by students entitled “Palestine 101.”...

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A White House State of Mind--Newt in New York

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National Review ^ | 3-1-07 | Stephen Spruiell
A White House State of Mind Newt in New York. During a scathing and often hilarious discourse Wednesday night at New York’s Cooper Union, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich at times sounded like a candidate for president himself as he chided the current declared crop of presidential aspirants for lacking substance. Although Gingrich deflected questions about whether he intends to run for president in 2008 — “the most likely campaign… is going to be two New Yorkers, one of whom sounds like a New Yorker,” he told event moderator Tim Russert — he gave the polished and energetic...

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Iran - Ahmadinejad: “The Zionists are the incarnation of Satan”

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Iran - Ahmadinejad: “The Zionists are the incarnation of Satan”

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Iran and Sudan friends. End to Palestinian internal conflict top problem

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Murder of Frenchmen in Holy City: Continued Legacy of 14 Centuries of Holy Terror

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Present-day Sanhedrin court seeks to revive ancient Temple rituals (PETA Alert!)

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Iran and Sudan friends. End to Palestinian internal conflict top problem

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IMRA ^ | 3-1-07
Iran and Sudan friends. End to Palestinian internal conflict top problem.1 March 2007 Excerpts: Iran and Sudan friends. End to Palestinian internal conflict top problem.1 March 2007 +++JORDAN TIMES 1 Mar.'07:"Iran, Sudan close ranks in face of pressure" QUOTE FROM TEXT:"gushed in support of one another" EXCERPTS KHARTOUM (AP) - Leaders of two nations faced with strong international pressure - Iran for its nuclear programme and Sudan because of the conflict in Darfur - closed ranks on Wednesday as Sudan's Omar Bashir and visiting Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran gushed in support of one another. "Enemies try by force to prevent...

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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.

Posted by SJackson to Howlin
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 8:27:05 PM CST · 1,369 of 2,093

Napa, liberal country. A joke.

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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.

Posted by SJackson to woofie
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 8:17:03 PM CST · 1,334 of 2,093

I think Ted did get married again recently ...dont know is "she" was transgendered or not

He did. In Napa, to irk the "true conservatives". He deserves the best, I'm not going to look for a pic of the bride.

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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.

Posted by SJackson to Howlin
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 8:10:59 PM CST · 1,323 of 2,093

No, but I've been looking for one, got one? :-)

Wish I did. If I was a photoshop person I'd make one.

This is a good one. I'd use this in ads. Anti Rudys can use their own pics, and pay for their own ads. That's how it works.

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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.

Posted by SJackson to cva66snipe
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 8:07:53 PM CST · 1,314 of 2,093

????? In the primaries you vote choice in your party in the general you vote whoever. Most vote straight ticket in the general and are clueless about the primaries. Thats where Talking Head TV Party Leadership Shills come in. They do the thinking for you....

You missed my point. The campaign underway is a primary campaign. There are no straight party tickets, or they're all straight party tickets.

Rudy isn't the nominee.

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Posted by SJackson to Torie
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 8:04:58 PM CST · 1,305 of 2,093

Ted Olson is just blinded by his personal friendship with Rudy, I think is the talking point of choice. But heck, there is no reason to totally dismiss the possibility out of hand that Olson is greedy, gay and Godless himself. After all, he is a very highly paid lawyer, and thus greedy, and a disproportionate number of lawyers are Godless, and has Olson remarried yet?

Your forget the conspiracy folks.

Ted was Johathan Pollard's attorney for over a decade.

I'm guessing probono, but I don't know.

This is where we yip follow the money, yap worldwide socialist conspiracies.

And of course, proRudys as traitors.

A traitor being defended.

It's important to libel an American like Ted Olson from every possible direction.

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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.

Posted by SJackson to MadIvan; EternalVigilance
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 6:36:24 PM CST · 1,105 of 2,093

I missed the speech excerpt, this thread is difficult to keep track of. But Keyes has an exceptional talent at expressing ideas academically. Not electable, but I enjoy reading him. And even when I largely agree with him, he uncovers tangents I can disagree with.

He's not a Bolton, but he'd be a stitch at the UN.

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Posted by SJackson to cva66snipe
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 6:31:57 PM CST · 1,100 of 2,093

Roughly two thirds of the voters simply vote straight party tickets because Grandpa did and so did Pop...The ballot box is the only measure other than the ammo box by which we can for certain change the course of the nation. Voting for the choice of two persons of the same basic wrong policies is national suicide.

Not only do I reject the ammo box in this context, but I'd like you to show me a single state where a voter can vote a straight party ticket in the primaries.

Good grief, Rudy is leading in February, 2007, based on his wot stature, with ten months to the first primary, probably the candidate with the strongest world view, superior experience with the federal bureaucracy yet to enter.

And you're worried about pop and grandpa voting.

To the Rudy supporters reading this, it's not the proper thread, I know about the Arafat incident, took courage, I respect his 9/11 performance.

But his position on world terror.

How to fight it.

How to overcome the inbred bureaucracy at State and even Defense.

He's running for President, so I know he has ideas on the most important issue facing the nation.

The issue most Rudy supporters are supporting Rudy for

I've a handle on Newt's views.

Hunter's too

And McCain, who I suspect might exceed Rudy on this issue.

But Rudy, spitting in Arafat's eye is great, but what does he propose as an encore.

He's on record that less guns=less crime.

Fallacious, but has he weighed in on less guns=less terror?

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Posted by SJackson to Howlin
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 6:16:50 PM CST · 1,082 of 2,093

Interesting polls. I agree that Hunter has a lot of work to do proving his electability. I wish him the best.

Did you notice like I did that the number 3 in ABC/WP and 4 in Zogby isn't even running in the primaries?

That's odd.

And, good grief, take the non candidate out, Rudy picks of 9 of his 15 points. Which means if he was in, he' eat into that 44% minority of Rudy's

I don't know if you're a Rudy supporter.

If you are, don't tell the true "howling at the moon conservatives" about this.

They might stop posting pictures and attacking Rudy supporters, and make a positive contribution. And that wouldn't help Rudy at all.

9 of 15 points go to Rudy, which would support speculation that he could strip 60% of Rudy's strength. Not "true conservative" votes though, because of the zipper problem

Anyway, back to reality. Did you see the latest pics of Rudy in a dress.

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Hmong wonder: How could law professor make such remarks?

Posted by SJackson to Diana in Wisconsin
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 6:03:49 PM CST · 2 of 23

your list?

Great reporting.

Plenty of editorial outrage.

Wonder what the professor said.

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Hmong wonder: How could law professor make such remarks?

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Capital Times ^ | 2-28-07 | Pat Schneider
Peng Her wonders how a man as educated as University of Wisconsin law Professor Leonard Kaplan could have been ignorant enough to make the ethnic slurs Hmong students have reported. What's more, Kaplan is a tenured professor at the Law School, prized for its nationally recognized diversity, he noted. "We're trying to figure out why he would say things that would jeopardize his career and the university's reputation," said Her, a local business owner and Hmong activist. UW law students have accused Kaplan of characterizing Hmong men as killers and criminals during a Feb. 15 class discussion. One student in...

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Baker, Christopher to head war powers commission

Posted by SJackson to Rummyfan
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 5:59:09 PM CST · 30 of 33

Who the heck is paying for this?

The Miller Center for Public Affairs

I don't know much about them, I think they're a somewhat neutral group. Mostly fund scholarships and professorships, their mission research into the Presidency.

My first though on seeing Baker and Scowcroft was SAUDI MONEY. That's not the case.

It's a legitimate inquiry in the context of their mission, but given the political rather than academic nature of the commission's members, and it's timing, in the midst of a war, there's clearly a political point being made here.

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Condi on a Learning Curve?--gets angry at Abbas but still can’t draw the right conclusions.

Posted by SJackson to happygrl
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 5:52:13 PM CST · 18 of 19

We survived Clinton. Israel survived Peres. Both countries will survive, though perhaps at greater cost than necessary. Europe will likely survive too, and I'm sure they'll thank us.

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Baker, Christopher to head war powers commission

Posted by SJackson to Mike Darancette
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 5:49:43 PM CST · 28 of 33

I assume these guys are Constitutional scholars.

Must be. They weren't selected for their military service.

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LIVE THREAD: Newt vs. Cuomo - Cooper Union [Webcast: www.americansolutions.com]

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On News/Activism 02/28/2007 5:48:44 PM CST · 21 of 116

Thanks, hopefully there'll be a transcript of this to post.

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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.

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On News/Activism 02/28/2007 5:48:11 PM CST · 1,047 of 2,093

In my view that's an outrageous ruling and should be condemned.

However it differs in two ways from the other example cited.

First, it's in the US, so it is our business. And since I'm on record that barring policies that truely violate human rights, we shouldn't be butting into Canada's business, the Canadians get no say in defending this ruling.

Second, this is a public school, the Canadian incident was a private Christian school. While I despair of Judge Wolf's opinion, at least Christians still have the private school option in Mass. For now.

Most important, Rudy had nothing to do or say regarding the either ruling. If he did, that's important. But to hang every wacko judicial ruling around the world relating to homosexuals on Rudy's doorstep isn't going to win votes. And it will drive people away.

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Posted by SJackson to Howlin; EternalVigilance; Registered
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 3:53:22 PM CST · 809 of 2,093

Yes, it pains many that Jim isn't following y'all into RINO hell, doesn't it.

I don't think they go to hell. Probably a communal graveyard, like the mainstream Republican elephants.

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Posted by SJackson to EternalVigilance
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 3:46:11 PM CST · 784 of 2,093

You’re citing one of my posts from Homosexual Activists Consider Targeting Private Christian Schools for "Homophobia"

Posted by Jim Robinson to SJackson
On News/Activism ^ 02/27/2007 11:24:22 PM CST • 316 of 549 ^

What can't be used against Rudy? The fact that he is a social liberal? He admits it. Is proud of his support for gay rights, abortion, gun control, illegal immigration, global warming, control of free speech, etc, etc.

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EternalVigilance : C'mon, these are all socialist issues. These are issues near and dear to the hearts of our finely feathered liberal fiends from the globalist/socialist/Marxist Democrat party. These are the issues they use to breakdown down our moral society, erode away our constitution, dissolve our national sovereignty, erase our borders, tear down our defenses, strip us of our national heritage and pride, divide and conquer our people. Caving to socialism step by step will destroy our Republic.
The global socialists are at war with us and are making great headway because we refuse to see it or react to it as war. The enemy within is just as dangerous if not more so than the foreign enemy.

JR and I disagree on this, but you completely misrepresented the issue.

The school involved is in Ottawa, Canada, and thus unless you’re suggesting we abandon our national sovereignty and dissolve our borders, an interesting article, maybe a warning of the threat of activism, but pretty much none of our issues. And in my view not a legitimate issue to bash Rudy over. Or to hyperventilate over. Canada does plenty of things I wouldn’t like to import, from health care to gun control. Of course I don’t think he’s part of an international conspiracy as a few here do.

And I don’t see any enemies within posting on these threads, any more than I see traitors or proponents of homosexuality.

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Posted by SJackson to Mr. K
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 3:29:35 PM CST · 720 of 2,093

a clear conservative voice always wins. (Witness Renaldus Magnus and Newt Gingrich in 2002)

Newt Gingrich in 2002

???

I'd like to see him win in 2007-2008, but I don't remember 2002.

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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.

Posted by SJackson to TommyDale; Al Simmons
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 3:24:50 PM CST · 703 of 2,093

You could also ask "IS DRIVING CONSERVATIVES OUT OF THE GOP GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY? THOUGHT-PROVOKING MUST-READ FOR RUDY-LOVERS."

No, it's not.

I've seen a lot of comment's directed at driving RUDY-LOVERS out of the Republican Party and off FR. Liberals, traitors, sexually challenged, they don't belong, after all.

I've seen lots of threats by the RUDY-HATERS to leave the Republican Party. To stay home or vote third party. As many recomended in the 2006 election.

I'm sure there are some, but I haven't seen many posts suggesting that the RUDY-HATERS should leave the party.

Leave, fine, but the "we're the party and we're being driven out" is nothing but whining.

If the social conservative vote is the core of the Republican Party, all they have to do is show up and vote, Rudy won't have a chance. I'm surprised the RUDY-HATERS haven't figured that out.

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Blacks, Evangelicals Switch Allegiances (Switching to Giuliani and Obama)

Posted by SJackson to madprof98
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 3:10:51 PM CST · 100 of 110

At the art gallery/coffee house? My, must have been one of those "evangelical" Episcopalians!

You're right, no way a true "evangelical" would be caught dead in an art gallery. Or a museum.

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Condi on a Learning Curve?--gets angry at Abbas but still can’t draw the right conclusions.

Posted by SJackson to happygrl
On News/Activism 02/28/2007 2:48:53 PM CST · 16 of 19

Dr. Rice has been infected with the State Department disease. I was not a fan of her appointment, as I did not think she has what is required to deal with the State Department. Few, male or female, do.

She's a Scowcroft, Baker syncophat, was when she was appointed. She brought a palestinians are oppressed, let's all talk it over, they'll be peaceful once they have a state mindset with her. GWB knew it, and may well share the opinion. They made a fatal mistake pressuring Israel to allow Hamas into the elections. Fatal to any possibility that the state GWB creates will be peaceful.

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[SJackson]

They sure will make hay over this, since they have been saying for years that conservatives, Republicans, and Christians are homophobes. Ann deserves whatever criticism she gets, because she should know that everything that conservatives say is listened to, recorded, analyzed, and used against them. Ann gets no sympathy from me.

That's right. Used against Republicans. To the extedt it's against Ann, it brightens her image. As I noted before, while CPAC isn't a big deal on the national stage, Romney's win in their straw poll is a big deal to him, and it's been overshadowed. A big deal to any Republican in the Rudy camp too.

[Lion Den Dan]

Thanks for the Clintonian parsing. Doesn't fly.

No parsing to it Scoop, clintonian or otherwise. She was clever and let the lisener tie the two together and there is no doubt she intended for folks to do just that but she did not call the lip glossed, lisping law lizzard a faggot.

[hosepipe]

[... John Edwards Hopes to Raise 'Coulter Cash' After Commentator's 'Faggot' Comment ..]<p.
DEMOCRATS!... (Eddie Murphy laugh)...

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You can't make the connection? Wow

Who said I didn't make the connection?

You?

She said it creatively, but didn't actually say "EDWARDS IS A FAGGOT," and I correctly pointed that out, HERE.

Any more questions?

[mrmargaritaville]

Tom Eagleton did assume room temperature yesterday. So his funeral should bring out McGovern, Carter and the rest of the left wing loonies.