Lunch in the White House with George

The Sunday Times ^ | March 4, 2007 | Irwin Stelzer

[Mr. Silverback]

I'm horrified by his immigrationstance as well, but I'm getting a little tired of all the whining and hatred directed at this man when he defeated actual open traitors to the United States in two straight elections. Anything but "Here's what we should do to prevent bill X or promote policy Y" is sounding like "WAAAAAAAAAAAAA" after years of Bush-bashing BS.

[Carry_Okie]

When one elevates what they do to the level of a moral crusade, one opens oneself to observation of the clear instances in which there is a total failure to abide by those principles.

[nutmeg]

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[Freee-dame]

It's a shame much of THIS country doesn't know him as they should.

I did not know until his funeral that Gerald Ford was either an All-American National Champion football player or that he was a Phi Beta Kappa. I knew that he had been a good athlete, but not a great athlete. Nor did I know until watching early Sat. Night Live shows that the mocking of him was cone every week.

The MSM had complete power back then. The difference now is that they have given up even the pretense of lack of bias.

[Mr. Silverback]

There's that whining noise again...I wonder if something's wrong with my computer...

[oust the louse]

Ivan, I always enjoy your threads and appreciate your candid opinion. This is very refreshing and thoughtful stuff!
All the best to you!

[Carry_Okie]

Oh goody, more blind fealty. /s

Maybe you should read Romans 13 again, as it doesn't say what you apparently think it does. It's about obedience to rabbinic authority and paying the Temple tax, not the state.

[skr]

I'm feeling very sorry for the British troops. Have they stopped saying God save the Queen, too?

[skr]

His goals, he said, were to see what history can teach us today and to “pander to you powerful opinion-makers”.

LOL! Thanks for the article, MadIvan. I'd hate to have deal with what he goes back to work to after lunch.

[roses of sharon]

Good point.

The MSM has run this country for 40 years, how else did a oversexed immature used car salesman like Bill Clinton now get cast as our "Brilliant Bad Boy" former President. The MSM write the script.

[petitfour]

Thanks for posting this!

A good friend of ours and favorite professor/historian has been privileged to be summoned to this White House on several occasions. I wish he would write about his experiences as well. As it is, he was interviewed by his local newspaper about the first trip. I'm not sure anyone knew about the second occasion. The President seemed to enjoy the second session immensely and had to be interrupted in order to "have lunch with the Prime Minister" (Tony Blair). He seemed to want to continue talking with the historians rather than meet with PM Blair. Our professor got a big kick out of it. :)

[Mr. Silverback]

Actually, what I said had nothing to do with Romans 13. Moreover, I do not reject Bush-bashing because I think God told me to be all nicey-nice and never say anything negative about a government leader. What I said had to do with Freepers whining about the President when we could have had two guys who would have the same position on the border and be in the process of losing a world war and pretty much advancing every other bad agenda you can think of. All of you Bush-bashers have forgotten The Toon, and that a man can be good and honest without having the right ideology in every area. I even provided a specific example of what a positive alternative would be, but you kept whining.

However, it is necessary that I correct your lack of understanding of the command in Romans 13.

Take a look at this, from verse 4: "But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing."

When did rabbinical authorities bear the sword? Do you know, BTW, what Roman authorities had their servants do with the sword?

If Paul is talking about rabbinical authorities, why did Jesus tell His disciples to "go the extra mile" and "render unto Caesar"? To elaborate, if by promoting Church authority Paul is saying "Feel free to tell the government to jump in a lake" then he is directly contradicting his Lord.

Now, let's look at verse 6: "This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing."

Why is Paul telling people in Rome to pay the temple tax, which was charged in Jerusalem? After the church was scattered by Paul in the early days of the movement, how much of an issue do you think the lack of Temple tax payments by Jewish Christians from Rome would be? Why would he be talking about that instead of talking about a spirit of rebellion in a Roman church under persecution?

[MinorityRepublican]

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