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Let's Make a Deal - Social conservatives, Rudy Giuliani, and the end of the litmus test.
The Weekly Standard ^ | March 12, 2007 | Noemie Emery

Posted on 03/03/2007 1:05:48 PM PST by gpapa

Next year may see the party of the Sunbelt and Reagan, based in the South and in Protestant churches, nominate its first presidential candidate who is Catholic, urban, and ethnic--and socially liberal on a cluster of issues that set him at odds with the party's base. As a result, it may also see the end of the social issues litmus test in the Republican party, done in not by the party's left wing, which is shrunken and powerless, but by a fairly large cadre of social conservatives convinced that, in a time of national peril, the test is a luxury they cannot afford.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatives; cpac; duncanhunter; electionpresident; elections; giuliani; litmustest; misterpresident; rino; rudy
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To: Chuck Dent

Rudy could be the attorney general in the adminstration of a good conservative president.


101 posted on 03/03/2007 5:16:29 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

The people who believe this have a very good idea of the attitudes of the voters. You'd probably be surprised to realize how few social conservatices there are in this country and even more surprised to realize how sick the rest of us are of their attempt to demand more than they are entitled to. OTOH I am perfectly happy to treat your views w/ respect provided you don't think you have the right to shove them down everyone else's throats.


102 posted on 03/03/2007 5:17:39 PM PST by the Real fifi
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To: flashbunny; pissant; FairOpinion; gpapa; The Ghost of FReepers Past; ElkGroveDan; TommyDale; ...
What are you going to do if Hunter drops out and endorses Giuliani?

What was that about crickets?

This question is the game, set and match of this entire debate. You can ignore the it, but you can't stop it from being asked.

Ah, irony. . . see tagline.

103 posted on 03/03/2007 5:18:21 PM PST by youngjim (Painting yourself into a corner, is no way to win a debate.)
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To: gpapa

We had a popular Conservative as POTUSA.
Next was a one term moderate.
Next was a two term traitor, who some people think was conservative.
Next was a two term moderate that squeaked by because the democrats nominees were very bad.
Now some people want a far left winger as the Republican nominee that most real democrats can beat because they can run to the right of IT.


104 posted on 03/03/2007 5:18:40 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Vote for RINOS, lose and complain by sending a self-abused stomped elephant.)
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To: flashbunny
Rudy was a mayor, and a federal prosector. Whoop-de-doo."

I asked for his resume several weeks ago. Still nothing. LOL

The only thing Icanremember is after 9/11 he took a job as consultant to Mexico City to clean up their crime problem. Giuliani should have done an excellent job. A private citizen can't own a gun in Mexico. Would you believe he didn't make a dent in the corruption in Mexico City even though Mexico City and New York are aproximately the same in population.

105 posted on 03/03/2007 5:19:20 PM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: LS

" By the way, my editor had a great quip: "I'm a single-issue voter. I'm pro-torture."

I'm a single issue voter. Life.
My life, my wife's life, my children's lives, the troops' lives in Iraq and Afghanistan,etc.
The most important issue to me is the WOT.
" No group in the country backs the war on terror as fervently as social conservatives, whose main
criticism of the president's policy is that it has not been aggressive enough.
To them, Rudy is the ultimate warrior,.."


106 posted on 03/03/2007 5:19:47 PM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: SteamShovel

Absolutely. Conservatives are the ones accused of having a "litmus test" when in reality it's the liberals who really have them.

What's the conservative litmus test? Obviously none based on who the two presidential front runners are for the Republican party.


107 posted on 03/03/2007 5:22:52 PM PST by joonbug
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To: gpapa
McAuliffe then asked Col. Harper to deliver the message to the Germans. Harper took the typed message back to the company command post where the two German officers were detained. Harper then told the Germans that he had the American commanders reply. The German captain then asked, "Is it written or verbal?" Harper responded that it was written and added, "I will place it in your hand." The German major then asked, "Is the reply negative or affirmative? If it is the latter I will negotiate further." At this time the Germans were acting in an arrogant and patronizing manner and Harper, who was starting to lose his temper, responded, "The reply is decidedly not affirmative." He then added that, "If you continue your foolish attack your losses will be tremendous." Harper then put the German officers in a jeep and took them back to where the German enlisted men were detained. He then said to the German captain, "If you don't know what 'Nuts' means, in plain English it is the same as 'Go to Hell'. And I'll tell you something else, if you continue to attack we will kill every goddam German that tries to break into this city." The German major and captain saluted very stiffly. The captain said, "We will kill many Americans. This is war." Harper then responded, "On your way Bud," he then said, "and good luck to you." Harper later told me he always regretted wishing them good luck.

And in case you can't translate it adequately, the answer for your crossdressing liberal commander is "Nein."
108 posted on 03/03/2007 5:24:55 PM PST by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: youngjim

"What are you going to do if Hunter drops out and endorses Giuliani?"

Why don't you ask me what I'm going to do if they offer free unicorn rides after a trip on the good ship lollypop?

"This question is the game, set and match of this entire debate. You can ignore the it, but you can't stop it from being asked."

The question is idiotic. My decision on who I support come from the positions and actions of the candidate themselves, not who they may be endorsed by. The last thing anyone should look at is endorsements. They can be bought and paid for with paid campaign / consulting positions.


109 posted on 03/03/2007 5:28:34 PM PST by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: youngjim

What will I do? Vote for a conservative. I am not locked into anyone except conservative candidates in general. Don't worry about who Hunter may or may not endorse. The RNC and the GOP leadership need to worry about what their base is going to do if a RINO who believes in abortion, partial birth abortion, illegal immigration, global warming, homosexual civil unions and federal funding of stem cell research gets the nomination.


110 posted on 03/03/2007 5:28:59 PM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: youngjim

I won't vote for Guiliani. Period. I don't care who endorses him. It's just me in that voting booth.


111 posted on 03/03/2007 5:29:35 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: youngjim

"What are you going to do if Hunter drops out and endorses Giuliani?"

I sure wouldn't vote for Rudy, not in a thousand years!


112 posted on 03/03/2007 5:29:44 PM PST by dalereed
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To: youngjim

"see tagline."

For what? To discover you don't know how to use commas correctly?


113 posted on 03/03/2007 5:29:59 PM PST by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: youngjim
You can ignore the it, but you can't stop it from being asked.

I would be willing to bet that Hunter will not ever endorse Rudy.

Regardless, I will vote my conscious, and it will not be simply because of one person endorsing another.

And you can save all your "You're helping Hillary to win" drivel for someone else.

114 posted on 03/03/2007 5:30:11 PM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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To: Old_Mil; My2Cents; Peach; nopardons; M. Thatcher; Sunsong; Celtjew Libertarian; MACVSOG68; ...
Sorry I forgot to ping you Old_Mil, but I didn't think you actually want to answer my #103.

What are you going to do if Hunter drops out and endorses Giuliani?

115 posted on 03/03/2007 5:31:30 PM PST by youngjim (Painting yourself into a corner, is no way to win a debate.)
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To: youngjim

I find it highly unlikely that Hunter will drop out and endorse Giuliani. If it does, that will not change my mind.

Giuliani, by his own admission, will be Hillary's equal. I will not only never vote for such a candidate, I will actively work to ensure his defeat.


116 posted on 03/03/2007 5:33:28 PM PST by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: youngjim

Presenting an implausible hypothetical scenario is about as ironic as rain on your wedding day.

But, when Hunter's work is done and he withdraws from the race, I'll be backing Mitt Romney. Regardless of who Hunter endorses (which I'm willing to bet you $1000, won't be Giuliani in the primary).


117 posted on 03/03/2007 5:33:44 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (2/25/07. Never Forget.)
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To: gpapa
This author sounds like a dedicated CINO.

Speaking as a Papist in good standing, I know that RG is certainly one.

118 posted on 03/03/2007 5:35:02 PM PST by sockmonkey
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To: airborne
I would be willing to bet that Hunter will not ever endorse Rudy.

Maybe not in the primary. But I suspect he will when Rudy gets the nomination.

119 posted on 03/03/2007 5:35:40 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (Al Gore needs to reduce his carbon butt-print.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I think it was hurricanes!


120 posted on 03/03/2007 5:41:28 PM PST by Coldwater Creek
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