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Cherokee Nation To Vote on Expelling Slaves' Descendants
The Washington Post ^
| Saturday, March 3, 2007
| Ellen Knickmeyer
Posted on 03/03/2007 9:06:01 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph
Where I grew up, in northwestern NC, nearly all people, black or white, had documented or legendary Cherokee ancestry. It's a shame that it sounds so much like old-school segregationist talk, but I suspect there's an attempted money-grab going on behind the scenes. They're within their rights to determine who belongs to their tribe and nation, regardless of how it sounds to us, or what we think, imho.
To: fish hawk
"Just so you know the whole story, many many Indians were slaves also to white men and Mexican families. I have documentation to this but of course all of you already know it but just don't mention it."
Bondage was legal and largely accepted, in most of the world, prior to the early 1800's. We fought a lethal, bloody war, that left half the country at that time in shreds, with the ultimate end result being the end of legal human bondage in this country, regardless of the precise whys and hows at the start of the war. However, it's still legal and practiced in fairly large areas of the planet to this day. In North America, whites enslaved blacks and Indians, Indians enslaved blacks and whites, blacks enslaved blacks and Indians. I can't speak to Mexicans, because I am not as familiar with the history of the southwest, but they are human, too, so I'm sure they practiced slavery, just as everybody else did. It happened. Sanitizing history doesn't do anybody any good, in the long run.
To: 2banana
Lots of the time, Indian's called themselves black on the census, because they were the hated ones in Oklahoma.
To: RegulatorCountry
I can't speak to Mexicans, because I am not as familiar with the history of the southwest, but they are human, too, so I'm sure they practiced slavery, just as everybody else did. It happened. Sanitizing history doesn't do anybody any good, in the long run.The Brazilians had black and Indian slaves, too. In Sao Paolo there's a statue commemorating the settlers who opened the Brazilian "West." Some of the figures are clearly Black or Indian. I was surprised that they were so open about the history of their country.
To: JoeFromSidney
The Brazilians had black and Indian slaves, too. In Sao Paolo there's a statue commemorating the settlers who opened the Brazilian "West." Some of the figures are clearly Black or Indian. I was surprised that they were so open about the history of their country. Brazil didn't abolish slavery until sometime in the 1880's
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posted on
03/03/2007 10:56:08 AM PST
by
fso301
To: rabidralph
I'm part Cherokee, although through marriage and not slavery. I had been under the impression that one need only have a certain percentage of heritage to be considered a tribal member...this seems to imply 100% pure blood is required...or am I misreading this?
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posted on
03/03/2007 12:06:13 PM PST
by
highlander_UW
(I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
To: All
There needs to be outrage against somebody for this! Who do we rage against?
To: rabidralph
The 250,000-member Cherokee Nation will vote in a special election today whether to override a 141-year-old treaty... Suddenly they don't have a problem with a broken treaty?
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posted on
03/03/2007 12:11:10 PM PST
by
SlowBoat407
(A living insult to islam since 1959)
To: SlowBoat407
You call 141 years sudden?
How long did those treaties usually last in the 1800's?
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posted on
03/03/2007 2:24:09 PM PST
by
CJ-50
To: rabidralph
a former slave of a Cherokee family Sounds like the Cherokee nation owes money in reparations. Better dontate every other slot machine to repay the debt.
To: fish hawk
You must know by now that factual information is no longer appreciated or even heeded on Free Republic.
Unless you are on the MSM bandwagon one way or another, FR seems a very strange place to be.
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posted on
03/03/2007 4:57:33 PM PST
by
La Enchiladita
(Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
To: Shimmer128
Why do you say "heehee?"
There are no tribes among American Indians. They each call themselves a Nation, hence Cherokee Nation, Iroquoi Nation, Crow Nation, etcetera. Or, they are simply the People, such as the Lakota People. The Navajo word that translates to People is Dine. They call themselves simply Dine (Dinay).
The Navajo and the Hopi have clans within their nations. I don't know how each of the other Nations are organized, but this is the little bit that I know.
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posted on
03/03/2007 5:03:42 PM PST
by
La Enchiladita
(Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
To: rabidralph
More WayPo poopoo, huh? FReepers can't seem to get enough of it these days.
I guess this article would fall under the "divide and conquer" section of the leftist agenda.
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posted on
03/03/2007 5:05:31 PM PST
by
La Enchiladita
(Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
To: La Enchiladita
Private joke between my friend and me. :)
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posted on
03/03/2007 5:08:01 PM PST
by
Shimmer128
(Molon labe)
To: RegulatorCountry
Yup, I also could care less what the Cherokee Nation decides to do. It's their business. But ferreting out this little tidbit and broadcasting it as a "story" suits the WayPoo agenda.
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posted on
03/03/2007 5:10:10 PM PST
by
La Enchiladita
(Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
To: rabidralph
It's interesting because I've got a book published in the 1880's with hundred's of photographs from the Civil War. What is interesting, in the "veterans" section, there is a large plate showing "Cherokee Confederate Veterans" meeting under a very conspicuous "Bonny Blue Cross", Lee's flag.
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posted on
03/03/2007 5:14:15 PM PST
by
Lonesome in Massachussets
(When I search out the massed wheeling circles of the stars, my feet no longer touch the earth)
To: highlander_UW
"I'm part Cherokee, although through marriage and not slavery. I had been under the impression that one need only have a certain percentage of heritage to be considered a tribal member...this seems to imply 100% pure blood is required...or am I misreading this?"
I here in Oklahoma, and Channel 9 news had a segment this morning with one of the Freedmen descendents who noted that they aren't trying to throw out the people with white blood, only those with black blood. John Ross, one of the principal chiefs during the Trail of Tears period was, IIRC, half-white... This is gonna be a mess anyway it goes.
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posted on
03/03/2007 6:31:18 PM PST
by
Old Student
(We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
To: Old Student
That's pretty sad. Is it correct to assume that reservations are not subject to Federal laws regarding equal rights etc?
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posted on
03/03/2007 6:37:28 PM PST
by
highlander_UW
(I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
To: La Enchiladita
Nishnabec...."The True People"
Potawatomi....of which I am one.
To: rabidralph
A joke comes to mind...something about them being tired of looking at those guys and being reminded of their ancestors' long-ago liaisons with bison...but no, it would be wrong.
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posted on
03/03/2007 6:44:16 PM PST
by
RichInOC
("Oh, dear!" "No...no deer...run too fast and [butt] too high. No deer.")
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