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To: ApplegateRanch
unless one is a Brit, a fag and a faggot aren't the same thing.

Thought I once heard fag used in British English (perhaps obsolete) referring to someone who was one's chum in one of those all-male British "Public Schools" (= "Private Schools"). And I didn't get the impression at the time I saw it that there was any sexual connotation.

Also, I know I've seen faggots used to describe a bunch of sticks or kindling or similar.

I wonder if these usages led indirectly to the common meanings for these words as we know them today? I can see how a word for a close friend in an all-male school might eventually morph into some other meaning. But as far as the sticks go ..... no! I won't go there!

109 posted on 03/02/2007 5:30:09 PM PST by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

You are right. In those Brit boarding schools, underclassmen had to "fag" for a particular upperclassman. Run errands for him, etc.


111 posted on 03/02/2007 5:33:32 PM PST by Palladin (You cannot glorify God better than by a calm and joyous life.--Spurgeon)
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

Some definitions of "faggot":

"faggot" is a term which over centuries has had a number of legitimate meanings, as chronicled by dictionaries and wordsmiths.

In medieval times, faggot referred to a bundle of sticks or firewood. In the 18th century the term described an underclassman's status in relation to an upper classman at an English boarding school. In the 1800's a shrewish, ill- tempered woman could be called a faggot. And in contemporary British slang, a " fag " is a cigarette.


114 posted on 03/02/2007 5:38:53 PM PST by Palladin (You cannot glorify God better than by a calm and joyous life.--Spurgeon)
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
From the small, flaming sticks, the word morphed to cover a smaller, white smoldering stick upon which one sucks, emitting smoke, coughs, wheezes, and "second hand carcinogens".

We need not explore further morphings & mergings, into the full blown phase, "flaming faggot".

115 posted on 03/02/2007 5:39:32 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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