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Social Conservatives See 'Two Americas'
CNS News ^ | March 02, 2007 | Randy Hall

Posted on 03/02/2007 8:55:12 AM PST by presidio9

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1 posted on 03/02/2007 8:55:13 AM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

This has been going on for decades.


2 posted on 03/02/2007 8:57:11 AM PST by MamaB
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To: presidio9

There should be a conservative in every bedroom.


3 posted on 03/02/2007 9:01:05 AM PST by Rudder
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To: presidio9

True, but not new.


4 posted on 03/02/2007 9:02:39 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: presidio9; nopardons
Wright cautioned against accepting political leaders' rhetoric at face value.

"We have to watch out now for politicians who are giving lip service but are promoting policies that accommodate the immoral lifestyles, the immoral America," she said.

And we also have to watch out for the followers of such politicians who either treat social concerns as unimportant or who try and engage in devious games of moral equivalence - such as the heinous attempt by nopardons to equate Rudy and Duncan Hunter on abortion because Rudy says he favors a PBA ban that exempts cases where the life of the mother is in danger - even though Rudy supported Clinton's veto of just such a bill.

5 posted on 03/02/2007 9:04:44 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Rudder

If conservatives believe they are going to end pornography, they have another thing coming. Porn is one of the biggest industries in the US. Ain't gonna happen. Nope. Never. Plus, we are a free country. If you don't like porn, DON'T BUY IT.

Child porn is another thing. Laws on the book..people being convicted everday. What we need to talk about is why child porn is so prevelant.


6 posted on 03/02/2007 9:04:50 AM PST by Hildy (RINO - Rudy Is Number One!!)
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To: presidio9

I'd say that the division is more along individualist/collectivist dichotomy. Collectivists are the enemies, whether they take as their [ideal] collective the umma, the "proletariat", the "poor", the "progressive mankind" and so on. With the libertarian individualists, OTOH, one could find a lot of common ground.


7 posted on 03/02/2007 9:05:09 AM PST by GSlob
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To: MamaB
I think it is inherent in the Manichean duality and Zoroastrian belief in Good/Evil of all the Abrahamic faiths. FR and DU are both full of people who freak out at any mention of a 'gray area' between their absolute Good and the Evil that is all who disagree with them. If you practice a faith that believes in an absolute Good then of course anyone who sees things differently than you is either deceived by Satan at best or is demoniacally possessed in their opposition to you; it is heresy to say "maybe their reality works and makes sense for them".
8 posted on 03/02/2007 9:05:38 AM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA)
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To: presidio9

One way to understand liberalism is to see the selfishness of it. purports to be compassionate but it rarely asks its adherents to personally sacrifice, they take other people's money to do the good deeds. In terms of the morality discussed in this article, it's all about their self-centered life of pleasure.


9 posted on 03/02/2007 9:06:10 AM PST by DeweyCA
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Its a conflict between people who fear being judged and people who think judgment is healthy. Its a divide between the secular and the religious. Cultural and religious values are a more powerful predictor of people's voting behavior than pocketbook issues. So yes, we really do have Two Americas in this country and the divide is not an economic one but a moral one.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

10 posted on 03/02/2007 9:09:33 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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"These issues aren't going away, they motivate great numbers of people, and don't let the media tell you otherwise,"

Of course not. We've always had a number of citizens on the left and the right who feel they have some sort of mandate to micromanage every single aspect of every legal adults life. They view society as a collective of sick and weak individuals who must be told how to think/act/etc for their own good. I don't care if they're on the left or the right...if you want to use societal pressure to force everyone to accommodate your feelings, knock yourself out. When you try and use the law to force everyone to live in a manner pleasing to you, it's time for you to go away.

11 posted on 03/02/2007 9:11:42 AM PST by jess35
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Democrats who were elected the last time around and who stood for family values

Please elucidate, will someone provide the names of a few pro-life democrats?

12 posted on 03/02/2007 9:17:31 AM PST by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: Rudder
There should be a conservative in every bedroom.

He'd better have a lot of stamina. ;^)

13 posted on 03/02/2007 9:19:23 AM PST by Teacher317 (Are you familiar with the writings of Shan Yu?)
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To: jess35
When you try and use the law to force everyone to live in a manner pleasing to you, it's time for you to go away.

Damn straight BUMP.

14 posted on 03/02/2007 9:22:19 AM PST by Wormwood (Your Friendly Neighborhood Moderate)
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To: presidio9

Two Americas, one of which the fundamentalist muzzies want us dead for...

Guess which one that is???


15 posted on 03/02/2007 9:24:40 AM PST by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: RedStateRocker

Well, I know faith works. In 2004, we lost our younger daughter. In May of last year I lost my older brother, in July I lost my husband and in January of this year, I lost my mom. Believe me, I could not have made it without faith and a belief in God.


16 posted on 03/02/2007 9:31:24 AM PST by MamaB
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To: Hildy

I agree. That was my point.


17 posted on 03/02/2007 9:33:17 AM PST by Rudder
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To: RedStateRocker
of course anyone who sees things differently than you is either deceived by Satan at best or is demoniacally possessed in their opposition to you

Nice to see another well reasoned critique of deeply held spiritual faith on FR.
eyes rolling...

18 posted on 03/02/2007 9:33:26 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [This is some nasty...])
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Two Americas, one of which the fundamentalist muzzies want us dead for...

Islamists don;t want to kill us because we have nudie bars and porn.

They want to kill us because the West has been meddling in the affairs of the middle east for a century, preventing the rise of a fundamentalist Caliphate.

These people will saw the head off of James Dobson the same as they would Larry Flynt.

19 posted on 03/02/2007 9:35:16 AM PST by Wormwood (Your Friendly Neighborhood Moderate)
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To: Hildy
If you don't like porn, DON'T BUY IT.

Surely you will agree that a society that is permeated by porn is considerably different, and most would say worse, than one which is not so permeated. A good case can be made that widespread porn is a form of "social pollution." Just as air and water pollution affects us all whether we are ourselves polluters, so does social pollution. Not too many of us would want to live in a neighborhood where half the businesses are strip clubs. To some extent the pornification of society creates such conditions everywhere.

While I am sympathetic to the "don't participate" theory, there are limits to the applicability of this approach.

"If you don't like slavery, don't buy one."

"If you don't like abortion, don't have one."

The problem is that a society that allows or encourages such things becomes a different type of society.

And, I know, don't call you Shirley.

20 posted on 03/02/2007 9:36:27 AM PST by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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