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To: CharlesWayneCT
If Roe was gone tomorrow, you'd still have to fight state-by-state to convince people that abortion was wrong and should be illegal, and Gulliani would be a loud, popular voice saying abortion is OK and we shouldn't mess with it.

If that were to happen as you say, why do you care where Giuliani stands on abortion? He would have no power. It sounds to me like you're saying it doesn't matter if Roe stays or goes.

1,499 posted on 03/04/2007 1:47:58 PM PST by Ms. AntiFeminazi (Terri Schiavo Incapacitated Persons Protection Bill - Duncan Hunter did not vote)
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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi

I explained it. If Rudy believes you have to let a woman have a right to choose, he would be a vocal advocate for that position, and the spokesperson for the GOP, at a time when what we needed was a strong and convincing advocate supporting the movement to ban abortion.

Yes, each state would be passing it's own laws, although frankly it would be the first time we put the basic life to human life on a state-by-state basis since we abolished slavery. But in any case, even though each state would be fighting the battle, the president would be a powerful ally or enemy, and the GOP standard-bearer would be supportive of, or in opposition to, our cause.

Also, you would want a national law forbidding interstate commerce in abortions, if you were allowing each state to make their own laws. While that would mean a woman could MOVE to another state to kill her child, she wouldn't simply be allowed to spend the short trip in a car, or at most the inconvenience of a few hours in a plane that cost less than the abortion, in order to kill her child.

Would Rudy support a ban on interstate abortion? Would he even support a ban on transporting minors to other states to get abortions? Would he still show up at annual NARAL meetins and support their cause? Would he still advocate for medicaid funding for abortions?

Of course, if that was the ONLY issue against him, it wouldn't be disqualifying to me, as odious as it would be.

For example, I think the Patriot act goes to far in taking away our liberties. I think we search too much, we pry too much into people's private lives. I'm a minority here at FR, and I don't bother arguing much. And I'm pretty much resigned that any solid conservative is unfortunately going to forget the liberty that conservatives once held dear, and support most of the patriot act and the spying and all the intrusions into our security that gives up liberty.

However, there was a vocal minority of conservatives opposed to parts of the patriot act, even in congress.

IN any case, that's one issue I gave up because of the unlikelyhood of getting the "perfect" candidate for me. But with Gulliani, that issue is just one more out of every issue that makes him not so much a true conservative as more of an authoritarian.

So while some people point to his strong support of all the spying and patriot act stuff as another reason to believe him to be a conservative, it doesn't help me out at all.


1,503 posted on 03/04/2007 4:46:40 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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