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NRA and GOA are about 4,030,000 of 80,000,000 gunowners. In my view, the question isn't about Rudy in the general. 4 million care enough to fork over a few bucks. It's how to get some of the other 75 million plus to pay attention to the primary. And my suggestion was that it isn't over the top stuff.

If rudy wins, 75 million don't care, most of the 4 million have enough sense to realize that Hillary or Obama are worse, so it's no longer an issue.

Extend that to other issues. This is a primary battle.

And I neither think it's a matter of replacing "family values voters" with pro-homosexual, pro-choice voters

Like it or not for many voters the WOT is more important than abortion or gun rights or gay marriage. That's simply a fact.

I think you may have been on a discussion of Rudy's WOT qualifications, which are equalled if not exceeded by Gingrich-Hunter-McCain. But it attracts little attention. Rudy's perceived weakness' are so much fun, no one addresses his perceived strength.

I'm not a McCain person, but Gingrich and Hunter both have better WOT and defence qualifications. That should make Rudy's defects on social issues an afterthought.

Like it or not for many voters the WOT is more important than abortion or gun rights or gay marriage. That's simply a fact.

I don't see that as simple fact. If the WOT was that big of a vote getter we wouldn't have lost in November.

If rudy wins, 75 million don't care, most of the 4 million have enough sense to realize that Hillary or Obama are worse, so it's no longer an issue.

what makes you think so, especialy if their issue is guns? They might not see a difference.

Extend that to other issues. This is a primary battle.

Add up all those hot button issues and that is alot of voters.

Like it or not for many voters the WOT is more important than abortion or gun rights or gay marriage. That's simply a fact.

I believe that is important to many voters as it should be, but not to enough as we seen clearly in November. Even to those Republican primary voters who consider the WOT the most important issue, pro-life and gun issues are still high on the list of priorities. Excuse me, but Rudy is not the only candidate strong on national security issues in fact when it comes to some things like border security for national security he is quite weak. If the WOT is the BIG issue, someone like like Hunter might fit the bill alot better. Looks like he is being discovered, and I bet that is part of what is attracting his fans.

And I neither think it's a matter of replacing "family values voters" with pro-homosexual, pro-choice voters

I believe this is not anything you would consider or want, but I believe it is the goal of the liberal wing or the Rockerfellow Republican, including some of them from FR. (read it daily)

You know as a candidate I dislike Rudy immensely, but I can see his strengths too. I just don't think his few strengths are any better than those who have the whole package of Republican principles.

I don't understand the allure of Rudy, unless one is part of the "its my party too" mentality?

Thankyou for civil debate.

I don't really care if an issue effects 80 million people, or 2 people.

Rudy is wrong to take away guns from law-abiding citizens. He is a smart man, but his smarts apparently led him to a misunderstanding of the 2nd amendment, and of history. He made a stupid choice.

If he can't even get that right, why should I trust that he will get any other new decision correct?

He thinks women should be allowed to kill their babies. That's wrong-headed, and how can I trust a person who can rationalize THAT position to make the correct decisions on other matters?