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Hunter's warnings about China stir dissent (He's the Man)
SignonSanDiego ^ | 3/2/07 | Finlay Lewis

Posted on 03/02/2007 6:25:08 AM PST by pissant

WASHINGTON – Republican presidential candidate Duncan Hunter's insistent warnings about China's threatening military buildup have stamped him as the Paul Revere of the fast-developing 2008 campaign.

China is picking America's pocket and using its ill-gotten gains to acquire ships, planes and missiles in a challenge to U.S. national interests, Hunter says. By cheating at trade, the 14-term congressman adds, China has also been able to pirate many American industries and high-paying manufacturing jobs.

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But some experts say that the Alpine, Calif., Republican's relentless focus on Beijing's trade tactics is overwrought and ignores important economic benefits to the United States, including hundreds of billions of dollars worth of Chinese investments that help the United States finance its deficit. Campaigning for the Republican presidential nomination over the past three months, Hunter has espoused a view on China that is far more confrontational and alarmist than the one taken by the Bush administration.

For example, Hunter has accused China of illegal currency manipulation that, he says, is seriously damaging the U.S. economy. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, a Bush appointee, is guilty of “appeasement” for failing to challenge China's currency policy, Hunter says. Nicholas Lardy, an expert on the Chinese economy at the Peter G. Peterson Institute for International Economics, is one of several economists who say that Hunter has it backward.

In fact, Lardy and others argue, China's success last year at banking a surplus of over $230 billion in its two-way trade in goods with the United States has enabled the Chinese to bankroll the U.S. Treasury to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars to finance the budget deficit. As a side effect, China's loans have kept both U.S. taxes and interest rates lower than they might otherwise have been, some economists argue.

“We are financing a government deficit and a savings shortfall by borrowing from abroad, including to a significant degree from the Chinese,” said Lardy. “So it is probably more accurate to say that China's trade surplus is financing our military expenditures than it is their military expenditures.”

Barry Bosworth of the Brookings Institution also disputes Hunter's assertion that China is financing its own military buildup out of its trade surplus.

“They are accumulating foreign currencies which they hold in dollars. But they don't spend the surplus,” Bosworth argued. “If they used it to finance their defense buildup, they would have spent it. Then they wouldn't have a trade surplus any more.” Lardy cites statistics indicating that China only spends about $2 billion a year on military imports, mainly from Russia. Some military experts are dubious about Hunter's alarm over the nature of the emerging Chinese military threat. They argue Beijing's strategy, at least for the time being, is aimed at raising the stakes for the United States in any future decision to intervene in an armed conflict over Taiwan, the breakaway island state that China is intent on recovering.

“Whether or not this would be a broader threat on the shape of where it could turn into a new cold war, man, we are nowhere near that yet,” said Robert Work, vice president for strategic studies at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. Hunter's fans, including many with impressive economic credentials, counter that China is not simply being a good neighbor when it recycles its trade surplus by purchasing U.S. government debt. Instead, they say, it is part of a strategy of devaluing its own currency to make American products more expensive in global markets compared with Chinese goods.

Part of this strategy involves maintaining a fixed exchange rate – or “peg” – between the Chinese renminbi and the U.S. dollar. “They can't maintain a fixed peg – unless they recycle dollars back into the U.S. That's why they do that,” said Peter Navarro, a business professor at University of California Irvine and author of “The Coming China Wars.”

“They do fund our budget deficit – by doing so, they are helping essentially to increase our military budget – (But) I think an armed and dangerous Chinese military capable of projecting power throughout the world is far more dangerous than the U.S. military in terms of destabilization.” Navarro argues that the real significance of China's unfair trade policies lies in their success in fueling the country's overall economic growth, which provides the wherewithal to finance a significant increase in military spending.

Some studies say that China over the last decade has boosted its defense budget from 1 percent of its gross domestic product to 1.5 percent. The comparable figure for the United States is 4 percent. “The economic weapon – is translating into a military weapon because the faster China grows economically, the more resources it has to devote to the military budget,” Navarro said. “The key point is that it is devoting a disproportionate share of its new growth to fueling its military expansion.”

Dan Ikenson, associate director of the Center for Trade Policy Studies, at the libertarian CATO Institute, argued that Hunter's attacks on China overlook that nation's advances in becoming a member of the global trading system. Ikenson added that its recent entry into the World Trade Organization offers a forum for reconciling complaints about its objectionable trading practices. Arguing that the United States has benefited along with China from the trading relationship, Ikenson said, “We need to keep our eye on them, and like Ronald Reagan said, 'Trust but verify.' I think that is what we need to do with China and not treat them like an enemy – just keep an eye on what they're doing and prosper along with them.”


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To: justshutupandtakeit

I get Bosworth's point,it's your point I don't get ???


81 posted on 03/02/2007 4:36:30 PM PST by Obie Wan
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To: Antoninus

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


82 posted on 03/02/2007 4:39:15 PM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

NAFTA and GATT are melting the Middle Class of America.

Free Trade???....its all a game.

I don't trust anyone who is still a "Free Trade" proponent....makes me think of the NWO


83 posted on 03/02/2007 4:44:51 PM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: angkor

Russia and China are going to eventually hit American Interests....I'd bet my life on it.

Gog and Magog are not in the bible without reason


84 posted on 03/02/2007 4:50:32 PM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Quix

Ping.


85 posted on 03/02/2007 6:54:02 PM PST by JockoManning (http://www.wordoftruthradio.com)
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To: Obie Wan

"Maybe someone should inform these deep think tank people about a few realities, like the fact China is EXPORTING military hardware to countries like Iran,Syria,African counties amd most likely North Korea so they probably aren't spending too much IMPORTING the stuff !!!"

True. Also, when they make military hardware it does not affect the import surplus unless they export it, which would make their surplus larger not smaller.


86 posted on 03/02/2007 7:31:21 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: Hydroshock

Unless he really drops the ball in the next 18 months, he has my vote too.


87 posted on 03/02/2007 7:39:43 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
unless he is just indulging in rhetoric to fire up his followers.

Sort of like "We must stop Hillary at any price!!!!

88 posted on 03/02/2007 9:50:47 PM PST by itsahoot (The GOP did nothing about immigration, immigration did something about the GOP (As Predicted))
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To: itsahoot

Right however the is a big difference between rhetoric applied to the Truth and that which is based upon falsehood.


89 posted on 03/02/2007 10:30:33 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: Obie Wan

The point I am making is that the value of Chinese currency is determined by the forces of the foreign exchange market not the Chinese government. Even the US government could not fight those forces in the early 1970s and we were forced off the fixed exchange rate currrency regime of Bretton-Woods.


90 posted on 03/02/2007 10:34:19 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: Halgr

Those misunderstandings are not the subject of this thread.
But they are caused by insufficient understanding of Economics.

If the Middle Class is melting it is because the Poor are no longer poor.


91 posted on 03/02/2007 10:36:40 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
rhetoric applied to the Truth and that which is based upon falsehood.

Yep and I know the difference, the last moderate we ran lost in a big way.(Dole) The only reason GW was elected, and then only barely was he disguised his socialist agenda, that and a weak opponent.

I will tell you one last time Rudy would be only marginally better that Obama or Hillary, and maybe worse because he would get a lot of cooperation from the congress. Conversely if Obama or Hillary were elected, maybe we would have a loyal opposition.

I will not vote for Rudy, under any condition, period.

92 posted on 03/03/2007 12:46:37 PM PST by itsahoot (The GOP did nothing about immigration, immigration did something about the GOP (As Predicted))
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To: angkor
I don't see any reason to believe that China has any territorial ambitions on America.

Teensy little Japan had the gonads to attack us in 1941. Do you think they had territorial ambitions on America? China is hugh compared to Japan. China could have territorial ambitions on Australia, what would you think then? Let the Aussies fend for themselves?

If China had a desire for Russian land, I'd say let them get as much as they can, but on India, Australia, New Zealand and Hawaii, we need to draw a line.

93 posted on 03/03/2007 12:58:12 PM PST by webheart
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To: itsahoot

Dole lost because a bunch of fools voted for Perot. There is no Perot here. He also was campaigning against a younger more handsome man. That won't be the case here.

Those who believe Bush had or implemented a "socialist" agenda will have no impact on anything. But if you can delude yourself into believing this is a conservative nation you can convince yourself of anything.

It is actually a good thing for people like you to say they will not vote for Rudy. Every such statement probably gains three other votes.


94 posted on 03/03/2007 5:51:59 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
iEvery such statement probably gains three other votes.

In your wildest dreams.

PS I know full well this is not a conservative nation, but it is supposed to be a Constitutional Republic, and I can only hope some politician will run that understands that, if not then why bother? Go ahead and knock yourself out, it won't change a thing.

95 posted on 03/03/2007 9:31:17 PM PST by itsahoot (The GOP did nothing about immigration, immigration did something about the GOP (As Predicted))
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To: Jeff Head

China ping!


96 posted on 03/03/2007 9:32:29 PM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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To: itsahoot

I doubt you understand the Constitution any better than you do the financial system. Hamilton was a bum, right? Jefferson a demigod.


97 posted on 03/03/2007 9:44:43 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: pissant
important economic benefits to the United States, including hundreds of billions of dollars worth of Chinese investments that help the United States finance its deficit.

Listen to how they make that sound like a good thing. China's investments here are helping us fund our own deficit. In other words...China is owning more and more of us.

98 posted on 03/03/2007 9:44:55 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Dan Ikenson, associate director of the Center for Trade Policy Studies, at the libertarian CATO Institute, argued that Hunter's attacks on China overlook that nation's advances in becoming a member of the global trading system.

As if that's a bad thing.

99 posted on 03/03/2007 9:56:17 PM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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To: airborne

To all but xenophobes it is a bad thing.

Global economic growth is important to all nations and peoples.


100 posted on 03/04/2007 12:01:14 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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