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>>>>>But don't discount the fact that many republicans on this very forum are trying to redefine conservatism as well.

You hit on what I see as a key point.

The reason this redefining of conservatism is taking place today has to do with a certain frustration and complacency on the rightwing. Conservatives have gotten a little bit unfocused and lazy. What Buckley and Goldwater started in the 1950`s and 1960`s to advance conservatism and what Reagan accomplished in the 1980`s, is now under a systematic attack from the internal non-conservative forces within the GOP. These "moderate" forces are slowing sucking the life-blood out of the conservative agenda and weakening the resolve of mainstream conservatism.

Today Republicans seem to be more fascinated in the liberal pop culture politics of A.Schwarzy and RudyG, then their are concerned with advancing conservatism. In addition, after 30 years in a dormant state, Rockefeller Republicanism is making a comeback and that doesn't help matters.

Over time this effort to move away from traditional conservatism and undermine its basic concepts, will only damage the Republican Party, and in the end maybe even destroy the party of Lincoln and Reagan. Its happened before. Political parties come and go. It can happen again.

Gee, I wonder why Mel Martinez wasn't invited to speak at CPAC?

some here seeking to redefine conservatism?

Just Win, Baby! Don't sweat the details!

It's working so well in California. /s

Some are hell-bent at being bridesmaids again,, and could care less what the cost is to the rest of those who see the folly of a moderate and conservative partnership.

It's like a liberal and conservative one, you know who usually is asked to give in in the end, or is expected to.

The Gang of 14, The '17', The 7 Rinos for pulling out of Iraq,, these are real groups in the House and the Senate and not fictional characters, we see what the fruits of their of their efforts to toe a middle road have been.

"Today Republicans seem to be more fascinated in the liberal pop culture politics of A.Schwarzy and RudyG, then their are concerned with advancing conservatism."

You are very right Reagan Man.

One poster recently told me that Jim Robinson says "we are all conservatives here". LOL! I guess Jim was including conservatives here that are "in name only" (CINO's). I don't understand why some of these pretend liberals here don't just take the leap and go join the dems or a third party. I mean, yeah, I guess it might be hard for them to become a dem, after all, not even the dems like to admit to being a liberal--even though they are one.

CINO's are trying to change the meaning of conservatism to make it more "acceptable" by having people like Rudy and Arnold run for office. The MSM loves these guys, which makes the CINO's happy, because then they feel like they aren't some "right wing extremists" who are constantly being put in a bad light by the MSM.

I think the constant drumbeat of negativism from the MSM has worn down some of the conservatives here, and as a result, instead of standing firm and continue to fight for what they believe in, they've decided to make conservatism more "attractive" (acceptable) so they don't have to constantly be on the defensive about being a "right wing nut" as the MSM describes us. I noticed many of the Rudybots here make comments to this effect as well. Maybe I'm wrong about this, but that's my take on it.