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To: dirtboy
Rudy cannot diss the base and win.

I am a hard empirical data rather than speculative assertion kind of guy. And of course, the term "diss" assumes there is dissing, and the term "base" needs defining.

As I said, I want to see a poll where GOP voters are informed that Rudy favors gay civil unions, some local government restriction of guns where they so choose, that is Constitutional, and some legal abortions, and see how many of them will defect to not voting, for the Dem, or to a third party. I do not believe there is any such scientific poll. Absent that, you can speculate, and I can speculate, but in the end all we have for the moment, are polls showing Rudy beating the Dem like a drum. I know you don't like it, and maybe the data will change in your direction. Pray for rain or sun, whatever your preference.

165 posted on 03/01/2007 7:55:39 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: Torie
I am a hard empirical data rather than speculative assertion kind of guy.

OK, tell me the last far-left pubbie who won the presidency, then.

174 posted on 03/01/2007 7:57:14 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Torie; dirtboy
"I want to see a poll where GOP voters are informed that Rudy favors gay civil unions"

Red herring. our constitution provides absolute protection for inter-personal contracts. That is the basis of the irrevocable trusts that we use to protect our wealth and property. Those trusts can also create a gay 'family' without need for legislation.

"some local government restriction of guns where they so choose, that is Constitutional..."

I don't remember reading the word 'except' after the word 'infringed' in the second ammendment.

227 posted on 03/01/2007 8:08:52 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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