All those scientists may still be wrong (on global warming)

UK Telegraph ^ | March 01 2007 | Martin Livermore

[GOPJ]

Global warming -- the new "Club of Rome" liberal freak out...

[catpuppy]

Changes in dates of first frosts, and spring thaws, depth of winter ice in New England ponds, all are very noticable. Even without closely tracking daily temps.

Perhaps to someone living with almanac in hand, next to a frozen New England pond. But to most of us an increase of 0.6C over a century would go unnoticed, even assuming that we centenarians were awake when the thaw/frost/ice hit. The article's "changes noticeable to all of us" is pure fiction.

[narby]

Perhaps to someone living with almanac in hand, next to a frozen New England pond. But to most of us an increase of 0.6C over a century would go unnoticed

New Englanders that live to go ice fishing notice it plenty. They sometimes can't even ice fish at all now. Anyone that grows a garden notices, because they're planting at different times. I may not notice the temperature change, but I live a mile inside a beautiful ponderosa pine forest at the edge of a desert prairie area. Because of the persistent drought, probably brought on by GW, our trees are dying off, and likely we'll be living in plains, or scrub juniper trees by the time I retire.

I may not notice an average 0.6C degree change, but those other things are quite obvious. That's not to say man did it, likely it's the suns fault. But GW is happening, and people do notice the long term climate effects, even if you're only 50 years old, like me.

[Cruising Speed]

...ultimate source of warmth and life on Earth: the sun...

I've not heard it said in the debate over global warming so I'll state for the record that there are three sources that provide heat for Earth's atmosphere; the sun, the latent heat of gravitational collapse, and radioactive breakdown (of material in the earth).

The second two are assumed to be totally invariable but in light of the controversy I'd say more research is needed.

[Cruising Speed]

Human history has primarily been driven by climate change. The ancient migrations that led to the end of Rome and other empires can be traced to climate change. The civilizations of central America fell due to climate change. The climate is always changing.

The modern effort is to try to identify the signal in the noise. The signal is human-caused climate change and the noise is natural climate change. What we find is that the signal to noise ratio is very, very low--if detectible at all.