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(WA) Teacher attempts to divert dues to charity; union refuses
Evergreen Freedom Foundation ^ | 2-27-07

Posted on 02/27/2007 1:41:10 PM PST by truth49

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To: Jack Black

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21 posted on 03/02/2007 5:58:24 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: SoftballMominVA

One of the new laws the Jackasses (aka Donkeys) are trying to pass is one that eliminates the secret ballot in union elections and replaces it with signed "cards". The cards are used today to call for the election.

This is a just a horrible gross idea that will result in union thugs intimidating people en mass. Horible and little debated. Nancy and the Sen. Craps are just paying the piper I guess.


22 posted on 03/02/2007 6:01:03 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: EndWelfareToday

>>Ha! As I repeatedly say, over and over and over again, "If you love your children you will teach them yourself" and forget about public education and the Unions that run it.<<

Many parents are not fully qualified - in fact few university professors are qualified to teach all high school subjects... in addition to the option of home schooling, we need vouchers to allow parents who both work or who can't teach all subjects to divert the tax money we spend for their kids to a better school.


23 posted on 03/02/2007 6:12:15 PM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: Jack Black

"This is horrible and ubelievable."
You are SO right...and so is the union.


24 posted on 03/02/2007 6:31:30 PM PST by M0sby (((PROUD WIFE of MSgt Edwards USMC)))
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Many parents are not fully qualified -

Who taught those parents?

25 posted on 03/02/2007 9:29:55 PM PST by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter)
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>>Many parents are not fully qualified -



Who taught those parents?<<<

In many cases the public schools have had serious problems for long enough that the parents were also hurt by the public schools.

But no how well educated the parents are, most people are not qualified to do a good job of teach all high school subjects. And they never will be.

For example, I went to one of the top private high schools (which happens to be conservative and Christian). Then I got a good degree from a pretty good school and went to grad school in two different areas and then I taught multiple subjects at a good private high school and became department head in both math and science. So I'd be a good home school teacher, right?

I happen to be a natural teacher but many parents are not. And there are plenty of high school subjects I should not be teaching -biology, any foreign language, any kind of art or music, English etc...

My wife is also well educated but she should not teach any kind of math or science.

Now imagine the parents aren't as well educated as they would like their kids to be or maybe their kids want to be something completely different than their parent - like if my kids wanted to be a doctor - nobody in my house knows biology well enough to help them.

Or maybe the parents both have to work or or they are widowed or divorced and there is no parent available to teach..

In the end, home schooling should be a choice but not the only choice. That's why we need good school and parents need choices in short, we need vouchers to provide parents with the choice to send their kids to a good school.

Here in Georgia we almost got a bill to let parents of kids trapped in schools rated as failing for three years or more to change schools but we were out-lobbied by the teacher's union. We need to keep trying.


26 posted on 03/03/2007 7:57:31 AM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: gondramB
Sorry. I disagree. We need to make parents responsible for raising their own children and that includes educating them. If parents are too ignorant to teach their children themselves then they should hire those of you that wish to be tutors to do the job. The US Government has no business in the business of educating children and I shouldn't be forced to pay to educate those children whose parents are not qualified to teach.

You said, "We need to keep trying." All "trying" is is an excuse to fail. As the great Master Yoda once said, "Do or do not do but do NOT try."

Folks... If you love your children you will teach them yourself.

27 posted on 03/03/2007 8:19:32 AM PST by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter)
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To: EndWelfareToday

>>Sorry. I disagree. We need to make parents responsible for raising their own children and that includes educating them<<

Well, we are not going to agree on everything. Your principles are dead on -I just think education is one of those compelling joint interests like defense and law enforcement where public spending is essential. I can understand how you disagree, particularly in light of the way the public schools do things now.

Are we in agreement that IF we are going to continue to use tax money for education that parents should have decision power on which school, if any they choose to attend??


28 posted on 03/03/2007 9:07:23 AM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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Are we in agreement that IF we are going to continue to use tax money for education that parents should have decision power on which school, if any they choose to attend??

Only if parents that choose to home school their children and those schools not part of the public school system are NOT required to follow the government's curriculum or regulated by the government once said vouchers (or other forms of relief) are administered. I personally know how government works. Once they get "their" money into a program they think they have the right (and rightly so) to regulate it and to insist that certain guidelines are met. It's precisely this thinking that has driven our public school system into the Marxist concentration camps of socialist indoctrination that they are today. To a Marxist (Progressive) it is more important to teach young girls that babies are nothing more than tumors that need to be chopped up and removed, teach all children that putting colorful condoms on bananas is fun and that Christians are no different than Muslims.

I for one am more in favor of pushing for a total withdrawal of all public funds being used for education and that said funds be returned to the public in the form of tax cuts. Then... those parents and grand parents that have school aged children will be able to afford to send their child to the "school" of their choice or to afford to purchase the teaching aides needed to properly educate their child themselves.

I'm tired of the education system trying to make me support them. They work for me, the parent, and they should be required to support my values. I'M PAYING THE BILL!

Seriously folks, if you have to work for hours with your child every night doing your child's homework with them, in essence doing the teacher's job, what the hell do you need the teacher for?

If you love your child you will teach him/her yourself in a loving and safe environment; YOUR HOME!!!

29 posted on 03/03/2007 9:31:51 AM PST by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter)
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Folks... If you love your children you will teach them yourself.

My best friends son is in his first year at Andover Exeter. His Chinese is improving dramatically, he has a better grasp of the Middle East situation and what Islam really says (and does) than most adults I meet. I rate his educaiton as excellent. Throw in the connections he's making and the great sporting tradition he's a part of and there is no way I could deliver 1/20th of that in the home.

Sorry but I just totally disagree with your thesis "If you love your kids you will home school them". For some parents, and some kids, that might be best. For others, not so.

How about the truely poor and ignorant. They have kids too. Can't you imagine knowing that your not smart enough to teach your kids everything? We're only two generations from sharecropping in the USA. It's going to take those families a LONG time to get their progeny educated if they don't rely on TEACHERS.

Anyway, this is so basic it's probably not worth discussing further. If you don't get that great teachers are one of the best things in many peoples lives (including mine) by now, you probably never will.

As for taxpayers funding schools, we'll here at FR we have a higher percentage on minarchists and libertarians and even old school conservatives who see that. Most people will not. (Sad, but factual.)

30 posted on 03/03/2007 10:24:34 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black

I rate my typing as poor!


31 posted on 03/03/2007 10:25:36 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: EndWelfareToday
I for one am more in favor of pushing for a total withdrawal of all public funds being used for education and that said funds be returned to the public in the form of tax cuts. Then... those parents and grand parents that have school aged children will be able to afford to send their child to the "school" of their choice or to afford to purchase the teaching aides needed to properly educate their child themselves.

Um, let me know when you pass that law, anywhere, ok? If politics is the art of the possible you suggestions strikes me as about as likely to happen as pigs flying.

32 posted on 03/03/2007 10:28:21 AM PST by Jack Black
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Related article here: Union: Teacher Can't Divert Dues to Fight Sex Trafficking
33 posted on 03/09/2007 9:37:37 AM PST by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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