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Venezuela's massive military build-up
theage.com.au ^ | February 25, 2007 | Simon Romero

Posted on 02/26/2007 4:29:26 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

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To: Tailgunner Joe; spikeytx86
Got this datas from strategypage.com:

If Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez made a grab for the Dutch West Indies (specifically the islands of Aruba, Curacao, and Bonaire), could the Dutch really do anything about it? The Dutch military is no slouch, having performed peacekeeping missions in the Balkans and has served alongside the U.S. military in Iraq. However, these have been relatively small contingents of land forces as opposed to a major naval-air campaign, which reclaiming those Caribbean islands would entail (see the British effort to reclaim the Falklands in 1982).

The Royal Netherlands Navy is small, but has very good ships. This force carries a lengthy tradition going back centuries, a tradition that includes beating the British at sea many times. Their new De Zeven Provincien-class destroyers are good ships armed with SM-2MR and Evolved Sea Sparrow surface-to-air missiles and Harpoon anti-ship missiles. The eight Karel Doorman-class frigates are also very good vessels as well, armed with Sea Sparrows and Harpoons. There is also a landing platform dock amphibious vessel, the Rotterdam, with a second vessel, the Johan Van Witt, being built. The Royal Netherlands Air Force is also potent, but primarily designed for a war in Europe. It consists of 108 F-16As with a mid-life upgrade, making them very capable against aerial opponents. This is the bulk of their combat power. They have 30 AH-64D Longbow Apaches being delivered, and only three KDC-10F aerial refueling aircraft (comparable to the KC-10) for their entire force. This is a force that has a lot of teeth, but very little tail.

In the event that Venezuela should seize Aruba, Curacao, and/or Bonaire, Chavez will have a lot of places in Venezuela for his Air Force to reach the Dutch islands. The nearest Dutch territory is St. Marteen, which is anywhere from 844 (to Bonaire) to 965 (to Aruba) kilometers from the combat zone. The F-16's range is 2642 kilometers, but that figure is misleading. Combat eats up fuel very rapidly (often due to the use of afterburners), and as a result, the potential combat zone, even with aerial refueling, is at the edge of the F-16's combat radius (usually a third of the aircraft's range – in this case, 880 kilometers). Drop tanks could extend the range, but that means giving up some payload. This is a situation much like what the Luftwaffe faced in 1940 in the Battle of Britain, only this time, it would be an inability to provide sustained air cover for naval vessels as opposed to the inability to properly escort strike aircraft. As Admiral Sir Thomas Phillips, commander of Force Z (HMS Prince of Wales and Repulse), found out in 1941, a naval force sailing under hostile skies has an exciting and short life.

The present Dutch deployment (a battalion of troops and a flight of F-16s over three islands) is small, and a bluff. If Venezuela calls the bluff, the Dutch are in trouble. Even if the Dutch forces were reinforced to include a battalion on each island, and a full squadron of F-16s, they are outnumbered by a potential invasion force. Venezuela has four battalions in their marine corps, plus an airborne regiment and a paratroop regiment. The local F-16s would be outnumbered by the Venezuelan Air Force, which has 15 Mirage 5s, 18 F-16As, and 18 F-5As, with 24 Su-30s on order. Reports of a Venezuelan purchase of MiG-29s appear to have fallen through. The Venezuelan Navy, with six Lupo-class frigates and two Type 209 submarines (plus nine Kilo-class submarines on order), could also create problems for any Dutch effort to recapture the islands.

The Dutch submarine force of four Walrus-class diesel-electric submarines could, in theory, try to interdict Venezuelan oil exports, but they are subject to limitations. The primary limitation is their diesel-electric powerplant, which provides a top speed of 39 kilometers per hour. These subs have a range of 18,520 kilometers, but that is at a speed of 16.7 kilometers per hour. In theory, the range is sufficient, since the distance from Rotterdam to Aruba is 7,860 kilometers. Thus while a Walrus-class sub could hang off Venezuela's major oil export centers, it would soon have to leave its station to return to base and refuel. Any blockade of Venezuela's ports would be more about making Lloyd's of London skittish enough to pull coverage from any ship entering or leaving the ports. Actual damage would be a lot less than imagined due to the strain of operating diesel-electric submarines across the Atlantic, and the very limited time on station, particularly after a speed run. Again, the major question could be whether St. Marteen would be a place where the Dutch could refuel and re-arm submarines.

The Dutch problem can best be described with the words, "not enough". Not enough forces to successfully repel an invasion of Aruba, Curacao, and Bonaire; not enough naval power to carry out operations to retake the islands; their fighters do not have enough range; and not enough logistical support to support an operation. They certainly lack the ability to retake the islands on their own should the "Greater Venezuela" rhetoric from the Venezuelan dictator turn out to be for real. However, assistance from NATO allies, especially the United States and Britain, would give the Dutch an edge, and a clear shot at regaining their Caribbean islands.

21 posted on 02/26/2007 5:51:58 PM PST by ChristianDefender ("Show No Mercy, For You Shall Receive None.")
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To: ExpatGator
Maybe they'll find that Natalie girl when they start digging foxholes on the beach.

If she's dead... but it's also likely that she's alive and enslaved by notorious sex traffickers in the Carribean.

22 posted on 02/26/2007 5:54:36 PM PST by ChristianDefender ("Show No Mercy, For You Shall Receive None.")
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To: ChristianDefender

Either is a terrible fate...


23 posted on 02/26/2007 5:57:05 PM PST by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: ExpatGator

Media coverage about her last year could have raised the price further... sad indeed!


24 posted on 02/26/2007 5:59:40 PM PST by ChristianDefender ("Show No Mercy, For You Shall Receive None.")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Dictators buy arms too keep themselves in power. Using the US as a boogey man is a prop.


25 posted on 02/26/2007 6:00:04 PM PST by gbs
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To: ChristianDefender
He could also foment revolution and revolt among the lower classes in the islands with the usual exploitation anti-imperialist rah rah rhetoric the commies are so good at. When chaos ensues he will dispatch a "peacekeeping" force to help restore order and to secure the new puppet revolutionary regimes. If it was a revolt from within the socialists in Amsterdam would say it was time to give up empire and do little about it. With a Democrat congress and potentially one in the white house in the near future, they will at best issue a condemnation letter and send in jimmah to help broker a "peace". This man is very adept at fomenting revolution in the region. With puppet revolutions in the former colonies he could deploy expeditionary forces and aircraft across the carribean giving him the reach to foment revolution across the whole of Latin America.
26 posted on 02/26/2007 6:07:02 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: Chode

uday and qusay are ed-day.


27 posted on 02/26/2007 6:10:16 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Eagles6
Smiling idiot....what is it? Here's some of the "scary" bad@sses that gave America grief...Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

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Tojo....Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

che'

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It's not like we haven't gone over to other countries and KILL our enemies....cause that's what we DO. "Why?" , you ask....

Cause we CAN..... and we've got 70 year old retired soldiers that will break your neck. Imagine what a well rested 18-26 year old Marine, SEAL or Ranger will do to your American hating rear end.

Chavez is a punk.

At this point I DEMAND video of the capture or death of this clown... I paid my taxes and I deserve the video... I've got popcorn, beer and a soft chair...

28 posted on 02/26/2007 6:25:08 PM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: spikeytx86
Chavez is a known "hero of the poor" in Venezuela... it's likely that he will attract supporters in the Dutch occupied territories not to include those interested to take over huge tourism business opportunities particularly in Aruba... It's also likely that Hugo will ride with the idea that he is just liberating those islands from a long time Dutch occupation.. a revolution indeed!

Well see though what's gonna happen...

29 posted on 02/26/2007 6:26:37 PM PST by ChristianDefender ("Show No Mercy, For You Shall Receive None.")
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To: Dick Vomer
I've got popcorn, beer and a soft chair...

LOL... so let it be done!

30 posted on 02/26/2007 6:28:39 PM PST by ChristianDefender ("Show No Mercy, For You Shall Receive None.")
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To: non-anonymous

Maybe Chavez has dreams of completing Simon Bolivar's project.


31 posted on 02/26/2007 6:37:27 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Jimmy Carter is a precious gift to the United States that just keeps on giving./s


32 posted on 02/26/2007 6:39:35 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Dawnsblood
Thanks for the links!

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one talking about that. Strange times we live in when assh#$es like Joe Kennedy make millions by distributing propoganda for "our friends in Venezuela." "Friends" who just happen to be threatening our very real allies.

33 posted on 02/28/2007 5:02:48 PM PST by manapua
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