Posted on 02/26/2007 5:11:33 AM PST by Jim Robinson
Edited on 02/26/2007 5:36:44 AM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]
FOUNDER Ping...
You're welcome for the link. I've been doing a little research on Reagan. Everyone should go back and read his speeches.
I found this gem: "Let us lay to rest, once and for all, the myth of a small group of ideological purists trying to capture a majority. Replace it with the reality of a majority trying to assert its rights against the tyranny of powerful academics, fashionable left-revolutionaries, some economic illiterates who happen to hold elective office and the social engineers who dominate the dialogue and set the format in political and social affairs. If there is any ideological fanaticism in American political life, it is to be found among the enemies of freedom on the left or right -- those who would sacrifice principle to theory, those who worship only the god of political, social and economic abstractions, ignoring the realities of everyday life. They are not conservatives."
http://reagan2020.us/speeches/The_New_Republican_Party.asp
From this site:
http://reagan2020.us/speeches/
Now... C'mon Peach. You know as well as I do that it isn't ALL of those who don't agree with Giuliani as "the Candidate" who said that, or made nazi comparisons, or called your side "Rudybots", or made a reference to a pink triangle or any other slur I missed.
Just as you and I both know that not everyone on your side/Rudy's side calls the others kool-aid drinkers, white-sheet wearing whatevers, zealots, bible-freaks, bigots or stay-at-home-unappeasables.
Saying something 20 times doesn't make it so and painting everyone with the same broad brush doesn't work in this discussion. Not everyone is happy/unhappy for the same reasons. It's a bit more complicated than that.
Well said, Jim.
Liberals are the enemy of conservatism. Around FR, supporting Rudy Giuliani is a form of political treason. Like it or not, its a betrayal of conservatism.
No, but when the FORUM OWNER pushes the thesis that Rudy supporters are treasonous liberals, I think we've taken things to a whole new level, don't you?
That's an excellent point, but the Mayor of NYC, especially one that served during 9/11 is a little special.
I'm not saying that he's a real good candidate - especially from a conservative point of view - far from it, but this group has gone hard right, big time, meaning now that they may elect not to vote at all as their man/woman is not in the race. Now, that is sad.
Just do a forum search under these names from last night:
Jim Robinson
Old_Mil
Find someone that can live with the current party platform and the party will come together for them.
So tell us...at what point do you think you would have to start taking the proposition seriously?
At what point will you admit you sound like a true idiot?
When I agree with you
Sheesh, talk about lobbing one over the plate for me...
Nevertheless, as nice a guy as he is, wouldn't it be fair to say the same thing about Tony Blair and his policies if he were an American?
Some here believe Republicans are out of touch because they ignored their base.
That base wants to stem the tide of illegal immigration, end abortion on demand, unapologetically protect the only relationship that can result in procreation and the promotion of traditional families, which statistics show raise children more able to contribute positively to society.
You believe Rudy is more electable than a conservative. I say not, because he gives away his base. A plurality of Americans lean conservative, despite what the media portrays, and would rally around an articulate candidate who stood by the issues I just cited above.
Is your "wider American public" is just an excuse to support Rudy now, before the primaries have even been fought? Seems like it to me.
Keep posting the vanities like this and the Rudy crowd will report you to the moderators...
Same old disconnect.
We just had an election where we lost 20 good pro-HR4437 congressmen...
Expecting a candidate who adheres to the party PLATFORM is so demanding....
The GOP voters get to decide who will be the nominee, not some platform writers from a previous convention. In fact the nominee basically writes the platform, which nobody reads.
The platform defines the party. Choose a nominee who doesn't
believe half of it will drive away a significant number of members.
None of that shows up in the polls, but maybe it will. I doubt it.
This laissez-faire drift in recent history is real. But it is done legally and of free will. If what has happened in western Europe since WWII as a continent politically is not particularly encouraging.
What's so annoying is the fallibility for so many, so often, so repetitively, and so ignorantly is that they fail to step outside the glass ceiling and realize how thin the walls are.
It's an inability to parse the scales of media and compounded by one's next door neighbor who suffers the same ailment (and exacerbated by the more vocal on this forum for example) to prioritize that's the real venom.
Gore getting international facetime and Oscar based on a body that awards works largely based on fiction?
Don't care about gays getting their ?whatever% due in their unions, as long as it does not cost me as a taxpayer. It's a states' rights issue, and as an example my blue state said hell no last year by an overwhelming majority, not worried.
It's not federal.
Same with abortion. Abhorrent truly, but....
It's not federal. Send it to the states.
Flying hijacked airliners into buildings, killing thousands and trashing tens of thousands of lives is.
It is an act of war, and there will be no Bible study class, Girl Scout cookie drive, or anything else if as Americans all of a sudden we have to dig bomb shelters.
Pity the endless parade of the marooned who can't sort out an order of magnitude.
Problem is, conservatism pays the piper, liberalism does not, it just raises the price.
Rudy may well have been caught in a media dress, but when cornered in a dark alley, betcha' he shoots first before some CA legislator or typical loser senator wants to use a court to remedy.
That's why he leads largely in the polls. </rant>
Hmmmmmmm.. vwery intewesting...
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