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Moderation on the Rise in the GOP? (RINO Rising Alert)
Real Clear Politics ^ | 2/26/2007 | Peter Brown

Posted on 02/26/2007 3:33:58 AM PST by markomalley

It is too early to make definitive statements about 2008, but the evidence points to a change in the tone, if not the substance, of the Republican message.

Although moderation is in the eye of the beholder and difficult to define, the GOP message and messenger are much more likely than in the recent past to be less beholden to, or a member of, the party's strongly conservative wing.

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Since the nomination of Ronald Reagan in 1980, moderates have fared poorly in Republican presidential primaries. The GOP has stood for lower taxes, toughness on defense and opposition to abortion, gay rights and gun control.

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Of course, none of this means that the Republican message and appeal will lean less to the right. And nothing has changed the inclination of those who vote in Republican presidential primaries.

Yet, there are signs worth watching. In politics change occurs before most realize it. Just as the Democratic Party under Bill Clinton modified its focus to remain competitive, the same thing may be happening on the other side of the aisle for 2008.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ahnoldgop; centrism; goodbyeconservatism; rinorising; rinos; winos
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So how many RINOs can dance on the head of a pin?
1 posted on 02/26/2007 3:34:00 AM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley
It's not moderation, it's just a shift of power to the Goldwater section of the conservative wing of the party (where fiscal and defense matters come before social issues).
2 posted on 02/26/2007 3:38:53 AM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: markomalley



RINO politicians are ambidextorous in the primaries, they all use their right hand as well as tehy can use their left one.....


3 posted on 02/26/2007 3:38:55 AM PST by padre35 (I am from the "let's stop eating our own" wing of the Republican Party)
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To: markomalley
Let's say it one more time:

Republican politicians and PR people saw other Republicans replaced by Democrats in the last election cycle.

They learned their lesson:

We The People prefer Democrats.

Therefore:

To get elected or re-elected, they must become more like Democrats.

Not the lesson the self-appointed teachers on the right wanted to teach, I know. But that's the one the politicians learned.

4 posted on 02/26/2007 3:40:16 AM PST by ExGeeEye (To defeat your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women.)
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To: markomalley

None, as they do not know how to dance.


5 posted on 02/26/2007 3:42:04 AM PST by GSlob
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To: markomalley

Until the conservatives have a leader, we are going to have to settle for Rinos.


6 posted on 02/26/2007 3:52:37 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: markomalley

Nothing more than the liberalization of the GOP. All it does is allow the Rat-ics to feel they've consolidated some ground, and then march furthur to their left.


7 posted on 02/26/2007 3:54:31 AM PST by C210N (Bush SPIED, Terrorists DIED!)
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To: spikeytx86
It's not moderation, it's just a shift of power to the Goldwater section of the conservative wing of the party (where fiscal and defense matters come before social issues).

It is not just a matter of priority, it is a matter of embracing the gay agenda and abortions. Social conservativism has also been on the back burner, now you have the Goldwater wing throwing everything out. The Goldwater wing can't wait to legalize gay marriage and fund abortions.

8 posted on 02/26/2007 3:55:20 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Brilliant
Until the conservatives have a leader, we arethe GOP is going to have to settle for Rinos.

I think about the political climate when Ronaldus Magnus came into power…

He could not have come into power had the traditional NE Repubs been riding a wave. The party was in shambles, as I recall. He rallied the disaffected and forged the conservative revolution.

I think the same thing is going to have to happen again before we see another true conservative giant!

9 posted on 02/26/2007 4:00:45 AM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: ExGeeEye
I don't think candidates are becoming "more like Democrats".

Giuliani was a moderate before the congressional elections. Romney's liberal positions were there before these elections too, and McCain has been trying to turn right lately. And Newt Gingrich remains consistent in his conservative views.

10 posted on 02/26/2007 4:09:02 AM PST by Theteacher77
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To: markomalley

Republicans are returning to their roots as the "me too" party, as in we want the same things as those dems over there but we differ a little on how the policies should be implmented.


11 posted on 02/26/2007 4:24:51 AM PST by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: markomalley
Although moderation is in the eye of the beholder and difficult to define, the GOP message and messenger are much more likely than in the recent past to be less beholden to, or a member of, the party's strongly conservative wing.

Since social conservatives sat on their hands (according to freepers) this last November, no one really expected the GOP to feel beholden to people who don't vote for them. Well, freepers expected it, but people who live in the real world didn't.

12 posted on 02/26/2007 4:27:49 AM PST by Peach
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Since social conservatives sat on their hands (according to freepers) this last November,…

I can't speak for any other social conservative, but I voted. And I voted as Republican as possible (living in Maryland, it's not always possible to vote for Republicans). Provided the GOP candidate was actually more conservative than the Dem candidate (which is, these days, not a given), I would be surprised to hear of many FReepers who did otherwise.

Now where's that picture of that dead horse??

…no one really expected the GOP to feel beholden to people who don't vote for them.

Unfortunately, you're right. Since the GOP didn't energize the conservative base (although I voted…that is not the same as being excited about the prospect), the GOP should then toss the base that brought them to power to the curb, rather than (heaven forbid) returning to the core values that brought them to power in the first place.

Sounds like good logic to me…good enough logic to ensure the Dems stay in power for another 40 years.

13 posted on 02/26/2007 4:34:48 AM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley

Reagan said this about compromise in his autobiography An American Life: "When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn't like it. "Compromise" was a dirty word to them and they wouldn't face the fact that we couldn't get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don't get it all, some said, don't take anything. I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: 'I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.' If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it."


14 posted on 02/26/2007 4:37:28 AM PST by Peach
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To: Brilliant

"Until the conservatives have a leader, we are going to have to settle for Rinos."

Lessee...we have a party comprised of Libs and Socialists on the one side to choose from, and we have a party comprised of some still clinging to Conservative ideals yet integrating that which was the aforementioned parties base in years past on the other side.

The fact that we still have some Conservatives in the latter noted party tells me we don't have to "SETTLE" for "Rino's" shoved down our throat by the Leftist, Socialist, MSM supporters of the forementioned party.


15 posted on 02/26/2007 4:37:33 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: markomalley
Umm NO, Moderation is on the rise in the DC Establishment of the Republican Party. It dominance is why the Republicans no longer control Congress. Since their voters had nothing to vote FOR in 2006, they stayed home. NOW the Republican Establishment, LIKE IT ALWAYS DOES when it loses has retreated into "Me Too-ism", and has decided the way to win is to KEEP doing what it was doing in 2006, only do MORE of it!

Make peace with it. It will be President Hillary Clinton. The combination of an Obsequious National News Media, a Republican Political establishment completely divorced from their political base, all egged on by a Conservative Counter media which is too busy shooting their own side in the back every day to EVER attack the Democrats on ANYTHING make Hillary inevitable.
16 posted on 02/26/2007 4:37:55 AM PST by MNJohnnie ( If they say "speaking truth to power,"-they haven't had a l thought since the Beatles broke up)
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To: Peach
Reagan said this about compromise in his autobiography An American Life: "When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn't like it. "Compromise" was a dirty word to them and they wouldn't face the fact that we couldn't get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don't get it all, some said, don't take anything. I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: 'I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.' If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it."

Great post.

17 posted on 02/26/2007 4:39:21 AM PST by MNJohnnie ( If they say "speaking truth to power,"-they haven't had a l thought since the Beatles broke up)
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To: markomalley

Instead of whining, (WHINOs) conservatives need to groom widely known, enormously likeable, articulate candidates.


18 posted on 02/26/2007 4:39:31 AM PST by tkathy (Sectarian violence? Or genocidal racists? Which is a better description of islamists?)
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To: markomalley

Our problem is the GOP losing a chunk of the white womens' vote. Too big a segment are completely Oprah-fied, are too susceptible to left-wing hysteria, don't have any stomach for a long yucky war, etc.

I don't like this situation, it stinks, we should be aiming higher... but the fact is, to win the presidency, we have to have some appeal to these soccer Moms or we will lose and give the country back to the Clintons.

The Presidential election is not a FR popularity poll. A moderate will have a better chance than a right-wing conservative. I wish this wasn't so, but it is.

I don't see any math here how Duncan Hunter or Newt (both of whom I like a lot) would win more states than Rudy. Winning is the only goal this time around, not ideological purity.


19 posted on 02/26/2007 4:47:23 AM PST by Jhensy
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To: tkathy
Instead of whining, (WHINOs) conservatives need to groom widely known, enormously likeable, articulate candidates.

Yeah, that's the ticket. We don't need no steenkin' principles. We'll go w/ someone w/ name recognition who can talk and who's really, really hot.

Psst. I hear John Edwards is running. He's clean (for a lawyer) and articulate too... Let's vote for him!!

20 posted on 02/26/2007 4:48:56 AM PST by sauropod ( "The View:" A Tupperware party in the 10th circle of Hell.)
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