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Welfare state growing despite overhauls
AP on Yahoo ^ | 2/25/07 | Stephen Ohlemacher - ap

Posted on 02/25/2007 1:56:05 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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1 posted on 02/25/2007 1:56:07 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

On the Net:

Temporary Assistance for Needy Families: http://www.acf.hhs.gov/acf_services.html walia

Medicaid: http://www.cms.hhs.gov/home/medicaid.asp

Food stamp program: http://www.fns.usda.gov/fsp/

Supplemental Security Income:

http://www.ssa.gov/notices/supplemental-secur ity-income/

The Access Project: http://www.hamilton.edu/college/access/index. html


2 posted on 02/25/2007 1:56:21 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......)
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To: NormsRevenge

. "I don't think they really care what you do once the benefits are gone."

Actually, "they" didn't care while you were getting benefits/hand-out....


3 posted on 02/25/2007 2:00:30 PM PST by dakine
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"The program, called the Access Project, accepts about 25 welfare-eligible parents a year. Hamilton waives tuition for first-year students and the program supplements financial aid in later years. Students get a host of social and career services, including help finding internships and jobs and financial assistance in times of crisis."

Didn't she have that opportunity before she had kids? Its called elementary, middle and high school. For a start.
4 posted on 02/25/2007 2:02:14 PM PST by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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"If you want to get educated or want to succeed, the welfare office don't care," Foster said.

The converse of that is if you want to get educated or want to succeed there are usually options available to you.
5 posted on 02/25/2007 2:02:35 PM PST by kinoxi
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Snort. Tell me about it.

Top 20 Counties in Real-Estate Tax Burden

Hated Property Taxes Bite Even Deeper

Yeah, let's hear it for 'Rats and RINOs.

6 posted on 02/25/2007 2:08:08 PM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: NormsRevenge

Government wants people to be dependent up upon it for food, shelter, and security. Sadly that's where it now derives its power.


7 posted on 02/25/2007 2:19:28 PM PST by mgstarr (I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Import a million plus fertile, uneducated third worlders every year and then wonder why the welfare rolls keep climbing.


8 posted on 02/25/2007 2:19:41 PM PST by CGTRWK
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To: mewzilla
From this 2006 link....

NY Legislature Cuts Gov's Medicaid Cost Reductions

"At a cost of more than $45 billion per year, New York State spends about 43 percent more on Medicaid than Texas and Florida combined, despite having a total population only about half the size ..."

9 posted on 02/25/2007 2:22:45 PM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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"If you want to get educated or want to succeed, the welfare office don't care," Foster said. "I don't think they really care what you do once the benefits are gone."

No, Ms. Foster, YOU have to care.

Dammit, you can drag a person to opportunity but you just can't freaking make them think.


10 posted on 02/25/2007 2:26:27 PM PST by Shion (Hunter 2008! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: kinoxi

For 11 years I worked for the Alaska dept. of Labor. Much of the work was with getting welfare recipiants to work. You would not believe the lengths people will go to in order to avoid getting a job and off the public dime. It finall began to work when we began reducing the monthlyhandout amount if they failed to show up for appointments. Many would/will sit around on their ass thinking the system will change back to the way it was in the good old days before they reach the time limit and only get serious when they finally realize that, yes indeedy, they WILL be cut off when the time expires. The fact is, most states will bend over backwards to give you money for training/eduction. But they have to want it.


11 posted on 02/25/2007 2:32:24 PM PST by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: Shion

This thing burns me up so bad.

I had a fantastic opportunity to go to college, which I did for both standard and summer sessions, 21 units a quarter, no partying, no boyfriends, no friends, so I could make full use of what I had.

My husband didn't do well enough in high school to go to university, so he joined the Marines, saved his money, took correspondence courses, and is now working full time and going to school full time to get his engineering degree.

It simply makes me furious that silly bitches like those in this article are whining about how they're not being GIVEN enough, how people aren't MAKING them get educations, how they're not having opportunity handed to them on a silver platter while people like me are going without and delaying having children and working really freaking hard to make a life while they crap out babies and await their handouts.

I'm going to go breath deeply away from the computer for a while now.


12 posted on 02/25/2007 2:33:30 PM PST by Shion (Hunter 2008! www.gohunter08.com)
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"They say the vast majority have been forced into low-paying jobs without benefits and few opportunities to advance."

Jeez...a Mexican illegal comes here and moves rocks for a landscaping contractor, saves his money, buys some machines, and applies what he's learned running his own business; while the welfare guys bitch and moan about having to move rocks, and buy intoxicants to take the edge off the humiliation. And they got well paid, self-appointd advocates making their case, that they oughta start at the top....or advance based upon the time on a job doing sub-par work...or calling in sick. Sheesh.

13 posted on 02/25/2007 2:35:54 PM PST by dasboot
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To: NormsRevenge

An education doesn't appear to be all that important, as we can clearly see that you don't need one to work for the AP.


14 posted on 02/25/2007 2:36:42 PM PST by Cementjungle
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"We said get a job, any job," said Rep. Jim McDermott, chairman of the House subcommittee that oversees welfare issues. "And now we expect them to be making it on these minimum-wage jobs."

No, we expect them to become self-sufficient. The minimum-wage jobs you so disparage are just the first rung on the ladder. As they gain work experience and training, they can do better.

People will never become self-sufficient if the government steps in and pays them for not working. Hence, the best thing we can say is, "Get a job, any job."

15 posted on 02/25/2007 2:37:00 PM PST by Logophile
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To: NormsRevenge

Sad state of affairs. It is only going to get worse. I will be glad when Atlas Shrugs. I hope I get to live and see it happen. Personally I am tired of working for the State.


16 posted on 02/25/2007 2:39:04 PM PST by therut
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To: NormsRevenge

If you want more of something, subsidize it.

When the economy tanks and people lose their jobs, homes, and savings, they become dependent on government handouts and eventually become addicted to government. And, like drug addicts who keep going back to their dealers for a fix, government addicts will likewise keep going back to THEIR dealers. That would be the Democrat politicians.

The Democrats don't care about the war or any other issue peripheral to their agenda of turning America into a French-style, secular-socialist welfare state, except insofar as that issue can be spun for political advantage. Their ultimate (and ultimately unreachable) goal is to finally create what old-time Austrian economists called "the socialist man", and a society in which all men will ALWAYS put the good of the community (or "village") ahead of their own welfare. In short, the socialist "true believers" actually think they can short-circuit nature itself. (Perhaps this is why Democrats have such an affinity for unnatural people and acts, and hate religion so much?)

And, of course, the reason the Democrats have relentlessly pursued this agenda since FDR is because it is their means to a selfish end of attaining and holding political office. (There's lots and lots of perks, power, and priviledge that comes with high elective office, you betcha!) The Democrats are pushers of the drug known as "government" and they naturally want to create as many addicts ("base voters") as possible.

Unfortunately for this once great nation, they have been winning (oh-so-gradually, but surely winning) for quite some time now.



17 posted on 02/25/2007 2:40:59 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Bogtrotter52; Shion

It makes me mad, too. I have a very close relative who is a single mother on welfare. I have offered many times to tutor her to get her GED and offered to pay for the GED fee (so she can qualify for some training). She is just not interested. I feel bad sometimes that the government pays for her. It's not that I want her not to have benefits. But, as long as the government will pay her housing and a little food, she will not do anything to be self-sufficient, and consequently is teaching her children to perpetuate this kind of life. The government should absolutely require welfare recipients to complete GED classes and then at least spend a few hours a week earning some money so they can develop job skills.


18 posted on 02/25/2007 2:51:05 PM PST by rimtop56
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"If the goal of welfare reform was to get people off the welfare rolls, bravo," said Vivyan Adair, a former welfare recipient who is now an assistant professor of women's studies at Hamilton College in upstate New York. "If the goal was to reduce poverty and give people economic and job stability, it was not a success."

So a former welfare queen bettered herself, yet pontificates that it can't be done. Does anyone but me see the irony here?

19 posted on 02/25/2007 2:52:32 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: Shion

Good post. My own story is very different, but I've reached the same conclusion about the culture of entitlement.


20 posted on 02/25/2007 2:53:31 PM PST by MonicaG (In hoc signo vinces. The whole world will see justice done.)
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