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(GOP)Stuck in the Mud(Frank Luntz)
WASHINGTON POST ^ | February 25, 2007 | Frank Luntz

Posted on 02/25/2007 7:01:11 AM PST by kellynla

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To: kabar

"Americans have a short attention span and an even shorter memory."

You got that right.

Here we have a communist governor who has given us the highest unemployment in the nation, an abominable tax structure for businesses, businesses closing and laying off thousands and tens of thousands of productive citizens leaving this socialist hellhole. And the idiots re-elected this Karl Marx lover.

Never, ever underestimate the stupidity of the average American voter, especially dingbat soccer moms who love Hillary.


61 posted on 02/25/2007 9:16:08 AM PST by sergeantdave (Consider that nearly half the people you pass on the street meet Lenin's definition of useful idiot)
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To: Pukin Dog

Bunter, as in "sacrifice", as in "thrown out before he gets to first base".


62 posted on 02/25/2007 9:18:42 AM PST by Cedric
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To: traderrob6

Exactly right, and Frank Luntz is not God; neither is Karl Rove as we all learned.


63 posted on 02/25/2007 9:19:30 AM PST by Jhensy
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To: Jhensy
"...neither is Karl Rove as we all learned."

But he wasn't de-deified until November 8, 2006.
64 posted on 02/25/2007 9:25:14 AM PST by Cedric
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To: Cedric
Even better!
65 posted on 02/25/2007 9:26:01 AM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
What has me fired up? After reading the thread below, to read story like Luntz about how the people of this country are such bunch of whinny self absorbed losers. These ass clowns who have never sacrificed or suffered ANYTHING for this Country have the gall to sit there and pout and whine about how tough their lives are and how everything here sucks? These losers can all go to hell. They have NO idea how 90% of the rest of the world lives. If they did they would be thanking God EVERY minute of EVERY day for being born an American.


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66 posted on 02/25/2007 9:33:17 AM PST by MNJohnnie ( If they say "speaking truth to power,"-they haven't had a l thought since the Beatles broke up)
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To: PzLdr

That's not the way I read this at all. I understand Luntz to be saying that the GOP lost power because they forgot their principles, and will only regain power when they again become the party of ideas.


67 posted on 02/25/2007 9:43:31 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: kellynla
There is some truth to this article. However, Frank Luntz has gradually over the years pushed his own Beltway liberal ideas rather than really report on his findings.

If you read the article, Luntz says nothing about the GOP base.

68 posted on 02/25/2007 10:03:08 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Pukin Dog
The Republican party of 94 completely delivered on 9 of the 10 items contained in the Contract with America. On the tenth (term limits) they could not get a large enough majority, but their was a vote.

You're correct in speaking about the immediate aftermath of 1994, but obviously you've not thought through the long-term adherence to the principles put forth in that proposal.

Broadly speaking, one might characterize the Contract with America's themes as: fiscal responsibility, job creation, legislative restraint, tax code fairness and national security. At best, the GOP now owns the last two. On the first three themes, the GOP has IMO strayed far from the Contract. Now people might reasonably disagree, but should not be subjected to vitriol as a result. Which brings me to my next point...

The fact is, most of you should simply shut up, or learn your history. I don't mean to go off on you, but your post is sadly becoming typical on this forum, with nonsense being accepted as fact.

What I find mildly humorous is egotistical blowhards who try to silence other posters, yet are substantially wrong in their own analysis. If "nonsense being accepted as fact" is sadly typical on this forum, perhaps you should write your opus. Or save yourself the trouble and just resurrect one of the previous ones.

69 posted on 02/25/2007 10:05:09 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: kellynla

Luntz is a dunce.


70 posted on 02/25/2007 10:06:59 AM PST by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like these, who needs Democrats?)
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To: NittanyLion
Immediate aftermath?

Tell ya what? How about you be right about something, ANYTHING when you reply to me, and I agree to consider taking you seriously? LOL.

71 posted on 02/25/2007 10:09:53 AM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: NittanyLion

I am going to have to disagree with you. Luntz points out the problems, of which many are correct. However, the whole article is full of incorrect assesments. The basic message for the GOP is "be more liberal", which I have heard for 7 years from Luntz, or basically since he supported McCain in 2000.


72 posted on 02/25/2007 10:10:40 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: MNJohnnie
I agree with everything you've said up to "GW Bush has been right about Iraq since 2002". He was right with his goal and right with his strategy but the tactics turned out to be pretty lousy and there didn't seem to be much in the way of contingency planning or "reaction." But wars are never predictable. I'm not sure how complicit Rummy or Cheney were -- or whether the blame should have fallen on Bremmer and the guy he followed. We waited way too long to bring the Patreaus (sp?) approach and leadership to the fore. I hope it's not too late. A fair history of this conflict will note that Bush's strategy was unfairly undermined by the media's overly negative portrayal -- and Bush's enemies literally making common with our country's enemies. Unfortunately, Bush and his team should have anticipated these huge challenges and done whatever was required to overcome them.

On your larger point: you are right... The Dems didn't run on anything substantive in 2006... just that they weren't Republicans. And the media allowed them to get away with it. The Senate was lost to the Dems because the WaPo ran 13 front page stories in a row about Maccacah! And the Drive-By Media twisted Rush Limbaugh's characterization of Michael J. Fox's "advocacy ad" for government supported stem-cell research (there goes Missouri).

The Dems won nothing permanent and certainly have no mandate. They remain a collection of special-interest groups, victims, special-pleaders and anti-American activists (commie sympathizers, really). Unfortunately, the GOP was just so inept in every way that they gave away this past election. And the "Republican voters who stayed home" got what they deserved.

73 posted on 02/25/2007 10:13:04 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds (“The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.”)
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To: Pukin Dog
Tell ya what? How about you be right about something, ANYTHING when you reply to me, and I agree to consider taking you seriously? LOL.

Bluster, huh? I'll take that as confirmation you're unable to rebut my post. Not surprising, since my points are dead on the mark.

74 posted on 02/25/2007 10:14:04 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: KC_Conspirator
My biggest problem with Luntz is the polyester wig.
75 posted on 02/25/2007 10:14:40 AM PST by Cedric
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To: PzLdr
Luntz apparently buys the premise that the GOP will get the independents, yet keep the conservatives, by ignoring, downplaying and marginalizing the Conservatives' concerns. Bad premise.

Luntz has been pushing this BS ever since 2000 when he supported McCain. If you read the article, there is no plan, or acknowledgement really, that the GOP needs to get its base back together.

76 posted on 02/25/2007 10:16:43 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: KC_Conspirator
The basic message for the GOP is "be more liberal"

Interesting take. I assume your reading stems from the fact that Luntz says we must appeal to those beyond the conservative base. But I think we can do so by advancing conservative ideals.

The way I read it, Luntz' major assertion is this:

But if I were still in the thick of it, my guidance would be just 20 words long: Be bold, return to basics, stop telling, start asking, focus on results, abolish "earmarks" and embrace a permanent balanced budget.

I don't think he's promoting liberalism at all. But after rereading the article I do understand why some might think otherwise.

77 posted on 02/25/2007 10:19:01 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: ImpBill
Serious question - What was the plan? What is the current plan?

You are like most Americans. Its the WH fault for not reminding people of why we are there and that is why the polls are bad.

78 posted on 02/25/2007 10:19:45 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Pukin Dog
You simply don't know what the hell you are talking about. The Republican party of 94 completely delivered on 9 of the 10 items contained in the Contract with America. On the tenth (term limits) they could not get a large enough majority, but their was a vote.

That is exactly right.

79 posted on 02/25/2007 10:20:32 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: MNJohnnie
What has me fired up?

Cutty Sark?

80 posted on 02/25/2007 10:23:18 AM PST by leadpenny
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